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Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by dbt00 »

Sakos wrote: post #20
LadyCailin wrote: post #5

I just really don’t understand how this whole situation has been this badly mismanaged. I fully believe his original offer to be a troll, but then he got stuck with it, but he has since so mismanaged this entire affair that I simply can’t understand how. Is the guy surrounding himself with idiotic advisers? Has he just gotten so far from reality that he can’t make reasonable predictions? Has he gone off some meds? It…

From the guy who managed to launch Starlink and currently runs the most successful/effective space launch provider, it's so bizarre seeing him fumble Twitter so badly. Has something changed about him or has he always been this way and the space industry was just less conducive to drawing out his batshit crazy?

He's always been bad at dealing with people. Twitter isn't a technology company, it's a people company.

Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by [deleted] »

fabian2k wrote: post #18

The interesting parts it going to be how many people that are important to keeping Twitter running are going to quit in addition to the fired ones. It's not going to be a nice place to work for, so those people that are financially well off and those that can get good jobs somewhere else are probably considering their options right now.

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Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by simonh »

garbagetime wrote: post #37
LadyCailin wrote: post #5

I just really don’t understand how this whole situation has been this badly mismanaged. I fully believe his original offer to be a troll, but then he got stuck with it, but he has since so mismanaged this entire affair that I simply can’t understand how. Is the guy surrounding himself with idiotic advisers? Has he just gotten so far from reality that he can’t make reasonable predictions? Has he gone off some meds? It…

How has he mismanaged it?

Firstly by signing a contract, changing his mind and then being forced to fulfil the contract by a court. By alienating a lot of prominent Tweeters and advertisers. Now by sacking a load of people it turns out he needs.

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Post by [deleted] »

[deleted] wrote: post #52
fabian2k wrote: post #18

The interesting parts it going to be how many people that are important to keeping Twitter running are going to quit in addition to the fired ones. It's not going to be a nice place to work for, so those people that are financially well off and those that can get good jobs somewhere else are probably considering their options right now.

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Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by eeiopo »

SkyMarshal wrote: post #32
LadyCailin wrote: post #5

I just really don’t understand how this whole situation has been this badly mismanaged. I fully believe his original offer to be a troll, but then he got stuck with it, but he has since so mismanaged this entire affair that I simply can’t understand how. Is the guy surrounding himself with idiotic advisers? Has he just gotten so far from reality that he can’t make reasonable predictions? Has he gone off some meds? It…

Yeah I'm thinking the same. Even without the screwups, it's an unbelievable waste of $44 billion dollars. He could have invested that in a nuclear fusion startup or something else that would advance his dual goals of clean energy and a multi-planet species (and almost certainly make better ROI than Twitter). Instead through a series of bizarre misteps he spends that on a useless vanity project that will distract him…

> that would advance his dual goals of clean energy and a multi-planet species

From what I've observed over the years, his real goal is to receive attention from as many people as possible. I doubt his sincerity on his stated goals, this is most likely just self-marketing bullshittery.

Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

Sakos wrote: post #20
LadyCailin wrote: post #5

I just really don’t understand how this whole situation has been this badly mismanaged. I fully believe his original offer to be a troll, but then he got stuck with it, but he has since so mismanaged this entire affair that I simply can’t understand how. Is the guy surrounding himself with idiotic advisers? Has he just gotten so far from reality that he can’t make reasonable predictions? Has he gone off some meds? It…

From the guy who managed to launch Starlink and currently runs the most successful/effective space launch provider, it's so bizarre seeing him fumble Twitter so badly. Has something changed about him or has he always been this way and the space industry was just less conducive to drawing out his batshit crazy?

It's a fundamentally different kind of company. You can bang the desk and yell at engineers when you're building rockets, because ultimately customers only care about the tech. And there will always be engineers who don't care about abuse as long as they get to Build Cool Stuff.

With something like Twitter the tech is more or less invisible. Users care about trust and relationships, and so do many of the engineers.

Musk isn't just utterly clueless about those, he's hostile to the culture that values them.

This is not going to end well. Odds are excellent it's going to turn into another of those legendary loss-making acquisitions like AOL and MySpace.

Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by Raed667 »

willsmith72 wrote: post #33
saos wrote: post #24

Sorry why did Twitter need 7000. Employees? How many many were engineers?

I saw an article that at least 1-2k are on moderation/safety

How come they don't they outsource to Accenture the same way Facebook does?

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/31/technology/facebook-accen...

Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by unsupp0rted »

mhoad wrote: post #15

It’s really hard to overstate how badly things are going over there at this point. It’s incredibly obvious by now that Elon and his crew of weirdos currently running the show (David Sacks and Jason Calacanis etc) were just marinating for years in an echo chamber of right-wing propaganda full of resentment against Blue Checks, fantasies of "shadowbanning", resentment of rules against hate speech, and lies about politi…

It’s not incredibly obvious to me.

“Move fast and break things” is a viable strategy some of the time. Works for MVPs. Doesn’t work for surgeons.

The corollary is “the cost of fixing broken things that need fixing because you broke them while moving fast is a fraction of the cost of not moving fast”.

Does any of this apply to Twitter? We don’t know. It could still go in either direction and whichever way it goes in retrospect it’ll seem obvious and inevitable.

Re: Twitter now asks some fired workers to please come back

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Post by uri4 »

mhoad wrote: post #44
uri4 wrote: post #38

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> it's not going to be a nice place to work for, so those people that are financially well off I beg to differ. People who are crucial to operation will be much better off. Less meetings, less bloat, less bs, probably better salary. I do consulting. Recession is good for business, companies lay off team of 10 developers and replace it with single remote consultant for 40% of cost. Also less taxes, since I work in dif…

I don’t know what kind of consulting you do but I hope it’s not business.

Project cleanup after sweatshops. Team quits on spot, leaves mess, no documentation. I put project back on track, documents things, help to hire new developers...

Business people in Twitter did not generated any profits (sales, positive PR...). I totally understand Elons position.

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