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Bloated college administration is making education unaffordable

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Re: Bloated college administration is making education unaffordable

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Median earned income 10 years after enrolling at an Ivy is about 2x the all schools average. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/09/14/this-...

I don’t know how you’d track this statistically, but my experience has been that not just the pay but the quality of job is much higher for graduates of elite universities, and like pay this just feeds back into itself. All the people I know who went to Stanford got very nice, “cushy” jobs straight out of college. Most of the people I know who went to state schools had to bust their asses for years at much less pleas…

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I have posted about this before on HN: One thing that is frequently overlooked, better schools (usually) have better/smarter students. My first uni was medium famous. My second uni was part of Cal[ifornia] State. The first was full of intelligent, highly engaging students. The second was... well, much less. The best parts of my uni education were working with other highly intelligent people on hard engineering problems. My second uni felt like an intellectual desert, but, hey, I got my degree.

More: Good schools act as a filter for employers. Why look for "diamonds in the rough" at a low quality school, when you can pay marginally more salary and get much better students at medium quality and above schools? I am on the hiring side now. I rarely find a diamond in the rough from a low quality school. The best candidates are mostly from the best unis. The same is true for former employer. If your CV has a bunch of low quality companies, you are also likely low quality. Again, rare exceptions exist. I won't name the employer: But one has had a 100% failure rate during interviewing. It is so bad, that I now regularly discard CVs with this current employer... unless the CV has something exceptional.

In closing, what if you are a diamond in the rough? My advice: Change employers as often as possible in your industry & country. Each change needs to be a step up the reputation ladder. If a sideways move, make sure you get title and/or money. In my last employer move, I move down one step in reputation. The quality of employees is much lower here than my other higher rep employers.

Re: Bloated college administration is making education unaffordable

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> Obamacare also has a huge positive impact besides just access to healthcare. Sure. On my back, and that of countless others. It's fucking highway robbery. Before Obamacare we had excellent health insurance with excellent coverage, doctors and low deductibles for $650 per month. When we were shoved into Obamacare, our rate TRIPLED to $1,800 per month. Today we are paying nearly $2,300 per month. This is equivalent t…

My genuinely overkill for my needs private health insurance as someone living in Australia where theres a public health care system that looks after everyone... costs less than half your pre-obamacare insurance, factoring in the exchange rate. I cant fathom why the majority of Americans are ok with their weird sociopathic Job = Health Insurance based system. While not as nearly unanimous as the metric system, well fu…

>thus cost everyone including the government even more money...

Americans were simply going without healthcare, so it was unavoidable that it was going to cost the whole country more money.

>I cant fathom why the majority of Americans are ok with their weird sociopathic Job = Health Insurance based system.

Because once the government gives a subsidy to a certain tribe, that tribe no longer has an incentive to vote to increase that subsidy to members of other tribes.

For example, in the US, old people have had healthcare for many decades. And they have the highest voting rates. But as a politician, you are not going to get far advertising that you will increase their taxes so that non old people can receive healthcare, especially if many of those non old people do not look like the old people.

But, completely screwing people is also politically unpopular, so what can pass is a half measure, like Medicaid, where politicians can say they helped people get healthcare, but also keep taxes low. How? Well, you simply pay the doctors and drug makers and dentists less for people covered by Medicaid. And you pay more for people covered by Medicare.

And as the tribes get more and more politically influential, you can keep adding various tiers of subsidy recipients. And that is the beauty of “health insurance companies”, or rather, “managed care organizations”.

Businesses with young, healthy, office workers can pool their health risks into less risky pools and pay much higher reimbursements so they get premium healthcare.

Poor people get directed to Medicaid, which will have a network of fewer and overburden doctors so they get less care, and less quality care.

Medicare will provide old people with enough healthcare to keep their votes coming.

Federal and military employees get decent healthcare because their coverage pays more.

Others get dumped onto the statewide exchanges that are you get what you pay for type deals.

And all of this is funneled through the managed care organizations so that people cannot easily measure who is getting what and who is getting more from the system versus less.

So tl:dr is that as a country, we do not actually want to help everyone equally. Just enough to say they were helped, but at the same time, make sure we get as much of the pie for ourselves as possible, and give up as little as possible.

Re: Bloated college administration is making education unaffordable

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In education, "supply" itself is not the issue; there are more than enough spots at state, etc. universities. Its supply of prestigious universities, which is controlled by a cartel. Similar to diamonds, which are neither precious nor rare, yet prices are outrageous because they are controlled by a cartel. If/when I become President of the United States, I will hold back all education dollars on cartel-controlled edu…

You got my vote! Now what about the college book pricing issues. One semester I paid for my books cost more than the classes I took. It was that bad. Even worse was that the book companies ensure you need the access code to the online portal in order to do anything. This ensures the used book market is nonexistent

It's the American system. In the UK professors did everything in their power to avoid students having to buy textbooks, based on my experience at 3 different universities...

Re: Bloated college administration is making education unaffordable

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It would depend on the cost of healthcare being delivered to those customers. Considering that an out of pocket maximum did not exist prior to affordable care act, and insurers were allowed to deny people with pre existing conditions, I would expect drastically higher spending on new insureds because they would finally start getting healthcare. Now the insurance company has to pay the hundreds of thousands and millio…

That's profit, not revenue. I'm asking why their revenue for increased exponentially for having 10% more clients.

That is not profit. If an insurance business picks up 10% more clients that cost 5,000% higher expenses, they cannot just increase premiums 10%. They have to increase premiums a lot more.

Not to mention that the ACA forced insurers to subsidize old people from the young (maximum age rating factor), health to sick (can only price based on age, location, and tobacco status), and imposed out of pocket maximums. All of these mean the insurance company is spending a lot more after ACA than before ACA, and all of that had to be recouped as revenue from premiums, otherwise you have bankruptcy.

Also, all the US health insurance company financials are public. You can see their profit margin is a steady ~5% for over a decade. They are spending $95 for every $100 in premiums they take in.

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Stanford has now reached the point that they recently built an entire 35-acre campus just for administrators. [1] This is completely separate from the main campus and miles away. "The campus provides workspace for about 2,700 employees (including three of the university’s eight vice presidents) working in critical areas such as the School of Medicine administration, libraries and archives, business affairs, human res…

> libraries and archives

This is a legit function of a university.

Re: Bloated college administration is making education unaffordable

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Eh, that number is misleading. SLAC National Accelerator, a National Lab that Stanford happens to run, employs about 1,600 people. They don't necessarily need to interact with students; other national labs are run by corporations (e.g., Sandia is run by Honeywell). Stanford has a massive medical system, including an adult and children's hospital. They are teaching hospitals, and so part of the point is to train medic…

None of that is at Ark B in Redwood City. That location is entirely administration.

From the original comment:

> "The campus provides workspace for about 2,700 employees (including three of the university’s eight vice presidents) working in critical areas such as the School of Medicine administration, libraries and archives, business affairs, human resources, development and Land, Buildings & Real Estate. Stanford will be the city’s third-largest employer in Redwood City."

Administration for the school of medicine is literally the first group cited.

Stanford Medical is everywhere around here.

Re: Bloated college administration is making education unaffordable

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Stanford has now reached the point that they recently built an entire 35-acre campus just for administrators. [1] This is completely separate from the main campus and miles away. "The campus provides workspace for about 2,700 employees (including three of the university’s eight vice presidents) working in critical areas such as the School of Medicine administration, libraries and archives, business affairs, human res…

> Stanford has now reached the point that they recently built an entire 35-acre campus just for administrators.

Mmm... I read an article once that pointed out that there are two basic schools of thought on "why college is so expensive today". Some people say it's more expensive to run a college, and so tuition has to cover that. And some people say it's more important to have a degree, or easier to get your college expenses financed, and so tuition expands to meet demand.

It's very easy to distinguish between these two theories at a basic level: one of them says that prices have gone up because supply has fallen, and the other says prices have gone up because demand has risen. But the article pointed out that, while these two causes have the same directional effect on prices, they have opposite effects on quantity sold: if supply has fallen, you see fewer purchases at higher prices, whereas if demand has risen, you see more purchases at higher prices.

And it's very clear that colleges are in the second scenario, with prices and enrollment rising in tandem.

But "it's because of administration costs" is a supply-has-fallen theory. It would make more sense to explain Stanford's luxury campus for administrators by saying that Stanford has so much money coming in, the administrators can afford to help themselves.

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> Obamacare also has a huge positive impact besides just access to healthcare. Sure. On my back, and that of countless others. It's fucking highway robbery. Before Obamacare we had excellent health insurance with excellent coverage, doctors and low deductibles for $650 per month. When we were shoved into Obamacare, our rate TRIPLED to $1,800 per month. Today we are paying nearly $2,300 per month. This is equivalent t…

>Sure. On my back, and that of countless others. Yes, that was the point. People who could not afford healthcare, are now receiving it. Hence people who can afford to pay for others to get healthcare, have to pay for others to get healthcare. >However, doing it by causing serious financial harm to likely millions of families is not right, at all. There was never going to be a way to redistribute wealth without taking…

> There was never going to be a way to redistribute wealth without taking to from those who have it or to give it to those who do not.

Yeah, that’s why they had to resort to blatant lying to get it passed. But hey, it was for the greater good! Take one for the team and be a good sport about it. “We have to pass the bill to see what’s in it,” and all that.

> And you are insured

You are intentionally missing his point. The cost of that insurance has gone up massively the past 15 years. The same level of insurance cost at least an order of magnitude less 15 years ago.

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