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Re: Twitter Now Asks Some Fired Workers to Please Come Back

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Post by zzzeek »

aksss wrote: post #44
zzzeek wrote: post #11

Can't wait to see the HN "just give Elon a chance to put his brilliant plans in motion!" crowd to explain this one to us. Enlighten us please !

Tuning a guitar string often involves going too low and then raising back up to the right note. Disruptive to the workers, but Musk is tuning a guitar not running a daycare - requirements and concerns are different. I’m sure he’s less worried about the optics of correction than you are. Add your own value judgements accordingly. Personally I can’t make myself see this as a humanitarian disaster — these employees have…

Elon is an intense narcissist so he absolutely cares how bad it looks. I am more worried about the workers who are still stuck there rather than the ones who were let go. It will be total chaos for quite awhile there before it settles into whatever former shell of itself , stuffed with ads and sponsored scams, it's on track to become, a depressing place to work for anyone with a conscience.

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Post by jlundberg »

kaba0 wrote: post #106
thordenmark wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A man has to be full of great melancholies to accomplish what he has. This clearly has positive and negative sides. Judging from the accomplishments of great people throughout history you cannot have one without the other. In the case of Twitter something had to be done. It was too powerful of a public forum and was mismanaged and run by extremists and exacerbated existing divisions, turning them into real rifts. If…

What did he accomplish? Like personally he himself? There is a very specific agenda/propaganda to sell this hard-working, aspiring CEO image (well predating Musk) which I could never justify. They are just megalomaniac narcissists with an extraordinary luck (that is way too downplayed) and sometimes some redeeming quality at least (in the form of some charm, or leadership). Well, I couldn’t list any such for Elon her…

I guess one way to view successful entrepreneurship is the ability to increase your chance to be lucky.

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Post by kivle »

ShredKazoo wrote: post #108
zzzeek wrote: post #11

Can't wait to see the HN "just give Elon a chance to put his brilliant plans in motion!" crowd to explain this one to us. Enlighten us please !

The pro-Elon redpill here is that he's already had at least 4 unambiguously successful companies (zip2, Paypal, Tesla, SpaceX). So maybe we are just observing what it takes to be extremely successful: Move fast and break stuff. If you want to be a multibillionaire you're going to have to make a lot of big mistakes, faster than anyone thinks possible. Additionally I think "verified users get priority in replies" has t…

You missed one: * Russia buys Blue for all of their Twitter bot-farms, giving Twitter tons of extra income, and Russia even better influence over US voters.

Re: Twitter Now Asks Some Fired Workers to Please Come Back

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Post by piva00 »

fm2606 wrote: post #94
thordenmark wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is certainly a hot take. When a company is losing $4 million a day drastic measures are in order to save the company so the remaining employees still have a job. Having worked in tech for over 20 years and being on both sides of layoffs I can tell you how hard it is for the people making the decision of who to layoff is exceedingly difficult and heart breaking. It definitely looks like Twitter was a hot mess and…

I have no doubt that for most of the people making the decision of which person to lay off it would be hard. They are human. But, I wonder; are these the same people (managers) that were making decisions that allowed the company to loose $4 million a day? If so, then hard to have sympathy for them. If the decisions were being made above the managers, in the C-suite, then it is their asses (which we all know Elon sack…

> But, I wonder; are these the same people (managers) that were making decisions that allowed the company to loose $4 million a day?

Twitter is losing US$4 million a day now, with the added interests Elon has to pay back on his US$ 1 bi loan to buy Twitter. So using this claim as a justification is exaggerated, by the sheer fact that most of that US$ 4 million figure is from Elon's own creation.

Re: Twitter Now Asks Some Fired Workers to Please Come Back

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Post by ShredKazoo »

kivle wrote: post #113
ShredKazoo wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The pro-Elon redpill here is that he's already had at least 4 unambiguously successful companies (zip2, Paypal, Tesla, SpaceX). So maybe we are just observing what it takes to be extremely successful: Move fast and break stuff. If you want to be a multibillionaire you're going to have to make a lot of big mistakes, faster than anyone thinks possible. Additionally I think "verified users get priority in replies" has t…

You missed one: * Russia buys Blue for all of their Twitter bot-farms, giving Twitter tons of extra income, and Russia even better influence over US voters.

$8 should be plenty sufficient to cover some sort of identity verification service -- assuming possession of a distinct US credit card number isn't sufficient on its own. (Could make it so if you mouse over a checkmark, it displays a flag based on what country the payment for the account originates from.)

Additionally, I don't believe bot detection is an inherently hard problem. And if every bot detected means the bot creator has to pay another $8 for their next bot, then bot detection becomes profitable for Twitter.

I doubt this ends up being the cheapest way for Russia to influence US elections.

Re: Twitter Now Asks Some Fired Workers to Please Come Back

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Post by zzzeek »

recuter wrote: post #75
zzzeek wrote: post #11

Can't wait to see the HN "just give Elon a chance to put his brilliant plans in motion!" crowd to explain this one to us. Enlighten us please !

This article says they are trying to bring back "dozens" of employees. 3700 were fired. Of those apparently some were fired due to clerical error. What is there to explain? There is a bunch of mass layoffs happening in other tech companies (and across the economy), are we going to pretend they will all go smoothly? Actually come to think of it, without this acquisition Twitter would still have been forced to let a bu…

Dozens of employees, some of which may be essential to critical operations if they are in fact this desperate to get them back. If Twitter is down for 24 hours because they fired the three people that know the affected subsystem the best, the "it's only dozens out of 5700" proportion says nothing about actual business impact.

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Post by sidibe »

InsOp wrote: post #57
allenrb wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It varies. I’ve been a SpaceX (and thus Elon) fan since they were unsuccessfully launching Falcon 1’s. EM’s willingness to share information with the space fan community won him a lot of admirers. I was certainly willing to overlook many of his other failings as a result. That’s become harder in the last few years and practically impossible in 2022. At this point, I am desperately hoping for SpaceX to get Starship/Su…

what are the other things he is screwing up?

Endless announcements and mispredictions are what aggravates me the most, borderline fraud IMO. I am not so much disliking him for it, I think he's a little neurodivergent and it's not exactly his fault, but it makes me really sad there's never consequences and that so many people believe him again and again, it seems like there is some easily exploitable missing BS detector in a significant amount of the population.

He's a lot like Trump in that he jumps into everything declaring it simple and that he gets it unlike everyone else, then says it turns out this is more complicated than anyone thought.

Re: Twitter Now Asks Some Fired Workers to Please Come Back

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Post by palata »

jlundberg wrote: post #112
kaba0 wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What did he accomplish? Like personally he himself? There is a very specific agenda/propaganda to sell this hard-working, aspiring CEO image (well predating Musk) which I could never justify. They are just megalomaniac narcissists with an extraordinary luck (that is way too downplayed) and sometimes some redeeming quality at least (in the form of some charm, or leadership). Well, I couldn’t list any such for Elon her…

I guess one way to view successful entrepreneurship is the ability to increase your chance to be lucky.

That's what lucky people say.

Re: Twitter Now Asks Some Fired Workers to Please Come Back

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Post by esoterica »

ShredKazoo wrote: post #108
zzzeek wrote: post #11

Can't wait to see the HN "just give Elon a chance to put his brilliant plans in motion!" crowd to explain this one to us. Enlighten us please !

The pro-Elon redpill here is that he's already had at least 4 unambiguously successful companies (zip2, Paypal, Tesla, SpaceX). So maybe we are just observing what it takes to be extremely successful: Move fast and break stuff. If you want to be a multibillionaire you're going to have to make a lot of big mistakes, faster than anyone thinks possible. Additionally I think "verified users get priority in replies" has t…

Did you see how hard Elon tried to get out of the Twitter deal? Remember how he made up fake excuses about bots to try and torpedo the merger? Even Elon doesn't think Elon can make the Twitter deal work.

Re: Twitter Now Asks Some Fired Workers to Please Come Back

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Post by [deleted] »

boplicity wrote: post #53
fm2606 wrote: post #23

If I were asked back I'd take it (hopefully with an increase in salary) then I'd actively search for another job. Once I landed it I'd give zero day notice. Fuck them. I understand I could be potentially hurting coworkers by adding additional work to their plate but Twitter didn't give 2 shits about the people left behind and the work that they would have to take on. Why is it corporations can "layoff" without notice…

The U.S. healthcare system traps people in companies, for fear of losing access to reliable healthcare. A system that was completely independent from employers would be much more beneficial to employees. Plus, it would save huge administrative costs for private companies. This would especially benefit small companies, but, really, it would make the job of running any company much easier.

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