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Re: Jack Dorsey Unveils Bluesky Social, the Decentralized Twitter

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Post by stovenctl »

nathanaldensr wrote: post #5
SilverBirch wrote: post #3

I think there are two interesting sides to this here: First is that essentially a key part of this strategy is ideological, not pragmatic. Centralization came out of pragmatism, not ideology. It seems hard for me to believe that deliberately choosing the less efficient solution is a good idea for a start up. The second is that we seem to be seeing a lot of VC brain here. By that I mean, I can scream at a VC "OMG THER…

If the speech is illegal in whatever jurisdictions apply, then remove it; otherwise, it should stay. Yes, even trolling and slurs. If a platform emulating the public square goes beyond what is legal, it ceases to be a neutral platform and inevitably becomes a vehicle for propaganda. I realize that means propaganda could be spread by the users, but I'd rather than than the platform and users spreading it. The real que…

Laws aren't static. Also, when someone thinks they've been violated, it takes a lot of time and humans to settle it.

It's already hard enough to keep up with the laws in software.

Re: Jack Dorsey Unveils Bluesky Social, the Decentralized Twitter

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Post by vntok »

labster wrote: post #9
nathanaldensr wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the speech is illegal in whatever jurisdictions apply, then remove it; otherwise, it should stay. Yes, even trolling and slurs. If a platform emulating the public square goes beyond what is legal, it ceases to be a neutral platform and inevitably becomes a vehicle for propaganda. I realize that means propaganda could be spread by the users, but I'd rather than than the platform and users spreading it. The real que…

Spam is 100% legal in all jurisdictions, so your legal free speech plan sounds like a total hellscape.

No it certainly is not.

Here's the Canadian jurisdiction against SPAM: https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/E-1.6/index.html

> An Act to promote the efficiency and adaptability of the Canadian economy by regulating certain activities that discourage reliance on electronic means of carrying out commercial activities, and to amend the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission Act, the Competition Act, the Personal Information Protection and Electronic Documents Act and the Telecommunications Act (S.C. 2010, c. 23)

> Unsolicited electronic messages 6 (1) It is prohibited to send or cause or permit to be sent to an electronic address a commercial electronic message unless

> (a) the person to whom the message is sent has consented to receiving it, whether the consent is express or implied; and

> (b) the message complies with subsection (2).

And here's the European jurisdiction against SPAM: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A...

> Directive 2002/58/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 12 July 2002 concerning the processing of personal data and the protection of privacy in the electronic communications sector (Directive on privacy and electronic communications)

> Unsolicited communications 1. The use of automated calling systems without human intervention (automatic calling machines), facsimile machines (fax) or electronic mail for the purposes of direct marketing may only be allowed in respect of subscribers who have given their prior consent.

Re: Jack Dorsey Unveils Bluesky Social, the Decentralized Twitter

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Post by muglug »

You can have decentralisation or you can have sub-second responses to whole-network search queries, but you cannot have both.

Twitter has two killer features: the people who use it, and search functionality that allows you to get near-instant results. Mastodon (and I assume Bluesky) cannot compete on either.

Re: Jack Dorsey Unveils Bluesky Social, the Decentralized Twitter

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Post by rad_gruchalski »

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #47
yrgulation wrote: post #31

I feel like he should have taken a long holiday. Not being rude or anything, but a new social network needs thorough thinking. For instance everywhere i read about the topic on casual forums, someone mentions myspace. Maybe it is time that such a network is built - fun customisations and neutral content.

"The thing you have to ask yourself ... is why the content was neutral ... do you feel lucky, punk?"

“What, are you a cop?”

Re: Jack Dorsey Unveils Bluesky Social, the Decentralized Twitter

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Post by pixl97 »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #54
saghm wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those are certainly more pragmatic than ideological concerns, which is the point GP was making.

And I agree. I just think monetization is the larger factor.

Reliable servers ain't free, at least that's what I think one of the larger issues is.

Re: Jack Dorsey Unveils Bluesky Social, the Decentralized Twitter

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

pixl97 wrote: post #66
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And I agree. I just think monetization is the larger factor.

Reliable servers ain't free, at least that's what I think one of the larger issues is.

No centralization, no server.

Re: Jack Dorsey Unveils Bluesky Social, the Decentralized Twitter

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Post by consumer451 »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #22
SilverBirch wrote: post #3

I think there are two interesting sides to this here: First is that essentially a key part of this strategy is ideological, not pragmatic. Centralization came out of pragmatism, not ideology. It seems hard for me to believe that deliberately choosing the less efficient solution is a good idea for a start up. The second is that we seem to be seeing a lot of VC brain here. By that I mean, I can scream at a VC "OMG THER…

> Centralization came out of pragmatism Sort of? Centralization is more profitable and easier than building new open internet protocols and formats.

Moxie's position on this is pretty strong, and on the side of platforms(centralization) vs standards/protocols(de-centralization), for product reasons.

blog: https://signal.org/blog/the-ecosystem-is-moving/

talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj3YFprqAr8

Re: Jack Dorsey Unveils Bluesky Social, the Decentralized Twitter

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Post by daniel_iversen »

muglug wrote: post #63

You can have decentralisation or you can have sub-second responses to whole-network search queries, but you cannot have both. Twitter has two killer features: the people who use it, and search functionality that allows you to get near-instant results. Mastodon (and I assume Bluesky) cannot compete on either.

The people is just about whichever platform has pull and influence, the architecture and missing out of full text search is something I’m sure people would be happy to live without. Not sure how much the average person searches on Twitter or Facebook (on tiktok and Instagram maybe they search more)
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