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Re: Ask HN: How to overcome strong feelings of worthlesness and inadequacy

#51
I read this post, then reread it and wondered if my alter ego wrote this one while I was asleep. I'm in the similar job with more or less similar experience level and age (of course minus the wife). Thanks for posting this question, I would never have posted it myself. And thanks to the ever awesome community for such motivating and thoughtful responses.

PS: I've started off with Python today. :)

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome strong feelings of worthlesness and inadequacy

#52
1. do go see a therapist. seriously. just talking to someone who will listen to you without judgement is healing in itself, but a therapist will also be able to help you set goals and work towards them. and that is not even to mention the depression.

2. see a naturopathic doctor. a lot of people suffer from non-pathologic illness that are not typically diagnosed by by conventional medical doctors. here's some common things:

* adrenal fatigue * vitamin D deficieny * sub-clinical hypothyroidism * blood sugar issues * food/environmental allergies.

i could go on. the mind can often be greatly affected by the health of the body.

3. start attending technology users groups. interacting with real people will; give you much more perpsective thatthan reading about the great things that bubble up to the top of HN.

best of luck. know that you are not alone; a lot of us have been in your place. it feels horrible, but it is temporary, so hang in there.

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome strong feelings of worthlesness and inadequacy

#53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you. Yes I don't really know the feeling of what is like to create something, this kills me. I am constantly disappointed by my code, it sucks, it's really bad and that also makes me lose motivation whenever I try to build something, for some reason failure is a permanent constant and the fear that I am going to fail anyway keeps me from actually getting trough building something to the end...

I don't really know the feeling of what is like to create something. Take a cooking class. I'm absolutely serious about this. You learn to build things by building things, and you build things by following recipes, recipes that are very slightly above your skill level, but no more. Go get some recipes, and use the techniques they tell you to use, and build some pancakes, and eat them. [1] Then you will "know the feel…

Learning to cook is one of the most important things I've ever done for my creativity. Not only does it help you get into building things, but it's a great way to blow off steam and boost your self esteem with small successes. I learned from a friend who taught me his "no recipes" approach, but I'm sure a cooking class would do the trick if you're not an improviser.

A meal or two per day and suddenly everybody is complimenting you.

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome strong feelings of worthlesness and inadequacy

#54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you. Yes I don't really know the feeling of what is like to create something, this kills me. I am constantly disappointed by my code, it sucks, it's really bad and that also makes me lose motivation whenever I try to build something, for some reason failure is a permanent constant and the fear that I am going to fail anyway keeps me from actually getting trough building something to the end...

I don't really know the feeling of what is like to create something. Take a cooking class. I'm absolutely serious about this. You learn to build things by building things, and you build things by following recipes, recipes that are very slightly above your skill level, but no more. Go get some recipes, and use the techniques they tell you to use, and build some pancakes, and eat them. [1] Then you will "know the feel…

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Re: Ask HN: How to overcome strong feelings of worthlesness and inadequacy

#55
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What you see on HN/TechCrunch/whatever has a strong "success bias." What this means is that you only get to see/read success stories. But there are also many people just like yourself who are just starting out. Many have failures under their belts. Even the people who are successful today have failed in the past! It sounds like you're practicing too much "theory" and reading, instead of creating. This will make anyon…

Thank you. Yes I don't really know the feeling of what is like to create something, this kills me. I am constantly disappointed by my code, it sucks, it's really bad and that also makes me lose motivation whenever I try to build something, for some reason failure is a permanent constant and the fear that I am going to fail anyway keeps me from actually getting trough building something to the end...

I used to be in your situation and then I read this.

"I do not write tests for my code. I do not write very many comments. I change styles very frequently. And most of all, I shun the predominant styles of coding, because that would go against the very essence of experimentation. In short: all I do is muck around.

So, my way of measuring a great programmer is different from some prevailing thought on the subject. I would like to hear what Matz would say about this. You should ask him, seriously.

I admire programmers who take risks. They aren’t afraid to write dangerous or “crappy” code. If you worry too much about being clean and tidy, you can’t push the boundaries (I don’t think!). I also admire programmers who refuse to stick with one idea about the “way the world is.” These programmers ignore protocol and procedure. I really like Autrijus Tang because he embraces all languages and all procedures. There is no wrong way in his world.

Anyway, you say you want to become better. I mean that’s really all you need. You feel driven, so stick with it. I would also start writing short scripts to share with people on the Web. Little Ruby scripts or Rails programs or MouseHole scripts to show off. Twenty lines here and there, and soon people will be beating you up and you’ll be scrambling to build on those scripts and figure out your style and newer innovations and so on." -why

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome strong feelings of worthlesness and inadequacy

#56
In another part of my life, I am a trained therapist and I would like to encourage you to see a therapist NOW - before the thoughts of suicide return. In the meantime - even though it is a bit 'off topic' - anyone dealing with frustration can use this article: http://www.marcandangel.com/2011/12/11/30-things-to-stop-doi...

So many of the comments in this thread are valid and worth another read - you will never succeed unless you risk failing, period. Keep trying - shoot for small success - take a break - find support - and the best suggestion I read in the thread: stop lurking and start contributing here - be a part of the community where most of us have failed at something a time or ten!

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome strong feelings of worthlesness and inadequacy

#57
everyone has said what needs to be said, but this post is a few days old now so i'm going to say it again, in case you went back to your normal self.

just pick something, anything, and not major (as to discourage yourself), break it down to small parts and each part into a set of tasks. for that you can use [https://workflowy.com], i like it a lot. just tackle them. DO NOT stop when you're stuck. bulldoze through it, then stop at the middle of a printf or something (again so you will jump back on it because you know how to pick up where you left off).

just pick an idea that you love, and go with it. and never forget who you are.

take care, bud. i promise, you'll be just fine.

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome strong feelings of worthlesness and inadequacy

#58
There's plenty of expert programmers who know Node.JS, Redis, CoffeeScript, Erlang, Scala, with tons of projects in GitHub... that noone uses... and noone pays for.

Then there's this guy named Mark Zuckerberg, who ppl claim to be a bad programmer who wrote Facebook in PHP.. and it's probably sphaghetti code.

Stop focusing on being technically superior, and focus on using your current skills(you probably have enough) to create something people want, and solves a problem. The 2 are not directly related to one another.

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome strong feelings of worthlesness and inadequacy

#59
I think that a lot of people on HN would identify with aspects of this, it's a good read regardless. Don't take this as me diagnosing you or anything, I just think there are elements of truth in this that can help better anyone's life.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelellsberg/2011/07/18/how-i...

Second Part - Easier said than done...

Stop comparing yourself to others and start comparing yourself to yourself.

Humans basically have 3 states - Think, Feel, Do.

If I had to guess, ever since finding HN you've been bouncing between thinking and feeling, with very little doing. It's not healthy, everything needs balance. Try forcing yourself to set a really simple goal of just doing something for a week. Walking 2 miles every other day, playing guitar 30 minutes 3 times a week, something physical. (The reason I say physical is because you're prone to thinking and feeling a lot, keep it simple and avoid going back into that rut)

You need to start finding little rewards and reinforcements for yourself on the 'do' side of things, I suspect even small ones will open doors to greater successes.

Something I find almost impossible to do physically is not think. Sit on your floor, lay in your bed, at your desk chair, whatever, and start counting your breaths, slow, metered even breathing. 5 seconds in, 5 seconds out. As soon as you hear a thought pop into your head that isnt just focused on the in and out of your breathing and on what breath you're on, start over. See how high you can get. Not thinking is an incredible way to train your focus.

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome strong feelings of worthlesness and inadequacy

#60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you. Yes I don't really know the feeling of what is like to create something, this kills me. I am constantly disappointed by my code, it sucks, it's really bad and that also makes me lose motivation whenever I try to build something, for some reason failure is a permanent constant and the fear that I am going to fail anyway keeps me from actually getting trough building something to the end...

I don't really know the feeling of what is like to create something. Take a cooking class. I'm absolutely serious about this. You learn to build things by building things, and you build things by following recipes, recipes that are very slightly above your skill level, but no more. Go get some recipes, and use the techniques they tell you to use, and build some pancakes, and eat them. [1] Then you will "know the feel…

I really like this advice. Even if you're not doing super-duper, crazy creative "disruptive" things all the time, one can get a huge sense of satisfaction by approaching some platonic ideal of pancakes, or whatever. Even if your code (or copywriting, design, or whatever it is you do) isn't groundbreaking, you can still strive for the ideal form of whatever it is you're working on.

I heard a really good piece of advice, in the form of metaphor: If you install carpet for a living, you don't have to like the carpet you're installing, but you should be damned proud of how well you laid it down.

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