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Ask HN: How to overcome strong feelings of worthlesness and inadequacy

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Re: Ask HN: How to overcome strong feelings of worthlesness and inadequacy

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post #17

What you see on HN/TechCrunch/whatever has a strong "success bias." What this means is that you only get to see/read success stories. But there are also many people just like yourself who are just starting out. Many have failures under their belts. Even the people who are successful today have failed in the past! It sounds like you're practicing too much "theory" and reading, instead of creating. This will make anyon…

Thank you.

Yes I don't really know the feeling of what is like to create something, this kills me.

I am constantly disappointed by my code, it sucks, it's really bad and that also makes me lose motivation whenever I try to build something, for some reason failure is a permanent constant and the fear that I am going to fail anyway keeps me from actually getting trough building something to the end...

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome strong feelings of worthlesness and inadequacy

#22
post #13

Think of a creative side project that you would really enjoy doing. Then do it. And take your time on it. Slow down. Tune out from what everyone else is doing. You have to give yourself time and space to breathe. Don't put pressure on yourself, make it fun! Don't worry about reading SICP or becoming an expert at some technology. That will come automatically over time. Just choose one stack for your side project and g…

Thank you. I have several ideas for side projects, at first I am really motivated and very excited but very soon the motivation wears down and by then it stops being fun, I lack the will power of sticking through to the end because in the end I constantly fear that I will fail and if I am going to fail anyway, why try it? This is ruining me I know I can't be like this but I don't know what to do to stop having these…

I've done that a million times. The trick is to have the right goal. Usually you'll have visions of how it will turn out in the end and not even half way through you give up because it seems that vision won't come true. Think of these projects in terms of years, not months. Then break them down into the very smallest possible parts. Im talking about thinks like making an entire day's goal to just write a single function that does something really small like connect to a database or something. That's how I've managed to finish despite having the same issue.

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome strong feelings of worthlesness and inadequacy

#23
If your thoughts of suicide come back to you more and more frequently, see a therapist.

As for your lack of motivation, remember what Chis Gardner (pursuit of happiness) said:

- If other guys can do it, you can too.

- The cavalerie is not coming.

- Baby steps count too, as long as they are in the right direction.

You want to truly become a good engineer/hacker. That's great. Now get to work, because the only thing that stands between you and your goal of becoming a great engineer is you and your self doubt. As you said, you have no excuses. But most importantly STOP feeling overwhelmed an inadequate and START accepting that the field of computer science is just HUGE. There are literally hundreds of programming languages, technologies, skill sets (front-end, web dev, DB etc.). Nobody masters all of them. And further, true mastery of a skill takes practice and therefore time. What you see on HN is an aggregate of the best of the best, a community where everyone chips in the best of their abilities. And that's why it is so great to read HN.

Now, to get out of this whole, simply use divide and conquer. Pick one fundamental C.S. skill you want to learn (algorithms, data structures, OS/compilers etc.) and learn it really well. Dive really deep and try to not just watch videos on academic earth but do the homework, code the samples, build small projects around it. Once done, pick the next subject. Remember, it is better to complete one small thing, that to start 10 big ones.

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome strong feelings of worthlesness and inadequacy

#24
post #14

Go slow. Pressure is anathema to self-improvement, you just implode. I've been trying for the last six months to get into a routine of teaching myself things, and I've only just got to the point where I can look back on my night without noting that I could have accomplished as much within ten minutes of motivated effort. Don't load up on textbooks. Buy one and finish it before devoting yourself to the next one. I did…

Thank you. Yes I did the mistake of getting all these books, I even made a schedule, I was going to study one book on mondays then another on tuesdays and so on but I always fail I can't teach myself anything, it sucks and it makes me angry with myself.

Learning multiple programming languages, concepts or theories at once is a recipe for disaster. I tried it with something as simple as Ruby and JavaScript and never finished either one. One at a time.

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome strong feelings of worthlesness and inadequacy

#25
You want a huge list of generic internet advice to feel intimiated by, ignore, then feel bad about?

you can create amazing things!, this started a revolution in my head, I now have a goal: I want to be like these guys I want be admired by my peers

Sleigh bells ringing... No wait, alarm bells. What does wanting admiration and to be like others have to do with creating things?

I have tried telling myself that its alright, that its all about hard work that I have to stop feeling sorry for myself and just do it and start working, but no matter how hard I try I keep having these feelings of inadequacy

You keep telling yourself that you aren't working hard enough, that you keep failing, and that this is OK, and then you're surprised when you feel bad afterwards?? Hello, McFly?

and pretty soon I'm back to feeling sorry for myself, "it doesn't matter how hard you work, you'll never be like them"

What are you trying to prove, and to whom? I don't ask to hear an answer, I suggest you ponder it though.

This is indeed ruining my life.

Indeed. What if you never ever become a great hacker, would you still code for fun? Could you ever really feeply admire and like yourself in that future?

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome strong feelings of worthlesness and inadequacy

#26
post #17

What you see on HN/TechCrunch/whatever has a strong "success bias." What this means is that you only get to see/read success stories. But there are also many people just like yourself who are just starting out. Many have failures under their belts. Even the people who are successful today have failed in the past! It sounds like you're practicing too much "theory" and reading, instead of creating. This will make anyon…

Thank you. Yes I don't really know the feeling of what is like to create something, this kills me. I am constantly disappointed by my code, it sucks, it's really bad and that also makes me lose motivation whenever I try to build something, for some reason failure is a permanent constant and the fear that I am going to fail anyway keeps me from actually getting trough building something to the end...

That's fair, but who actually cares about how good your code is? Make it work. Hack things together. After you practically code for longer, patterns will emerge, you'll refactor and rewrite as necessary. At any point in time, if I look at code I have written earlier, I shudder at how awful it was.

Finally, "fear that I am going to fail" is silly. It's the other way. You're starting at the point of failure. You have nothing right now. Accept that, and then you won't have to hold yourself to such a high standard. Start somewhere (and remember that you "suck" at first), and keep at it. Seriously.

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome strong feelings of worthlesness and inadequacy

#27
Hey there! I'm in much the same boat.

I have to admit I'm rather relieved reading your post because at least I'm not the only one who is rapidly developing an inferiority complex here ;)

For my part, I'm 28 with a Philosophy degree and currently in a junior role at a late stage startup. I'm not a developer, more like "guy who hacks together Perl and queries MySQL all day".

So, you at least have an edge on me - for what little that's worth! In fact, stepping back to take stock of what you do in fact have might help. I realize it's not much consolation to know you're neither homeless, politically oppressed or living in a war zone - but keeping that perspective has helped me through some moments of self-doubt and pity.

I totally know what you're saying about having no excuses with all the free and accessible information out there. Believe it or not, I find the plethora of choice a little crippling in its own way. When I spend 5 weeks debating which language to learn, and 5 days actually trying to learn a language - there's clearly something wrong!

I don't know where you are in your life, but it might be worth considering a bold leap. I've seen a few programming boot camps promoted here on HN - one in the Bay Area and the other in Chicago. If you're between jobs, this might be something to consider.

Dev Bootcamp : http://devbootcamp.com/apply

Code Academy : http://codeacademy.org/

I know how incredibly difficult it is to find the time and motivation to work on a side project. In fact, if you're looking for a learning partner - I'd certainly welcome it. I'm currenly interested in the following : Python, Perl, Django, Dancer, Ruby, Groovy, Rails/Grails, JS, coffeescript, design principles, NoSQL, Big Data, Hadoop. I can be reached @ esoteric.doktrin at gmail.

Good luck - keep calm and carry on, as they say.

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome strong feelings of worthlesness and inadequacy

#28
post #17

What you see on HN/TechCrunch/whatever has a strong "success bias." What this means is that you only get to see/read success stories. But there are also many people just like yourself who are just starting out. Many have failures under their belts. Even the people who are successful today have failed in the past! It sounds like you're practicing too much "theory" and reading, instead of creating. This will make anyon…

Thank you. Yes I don't really know the feeling of what is like to create something, this kills me. I am constantly disappointed by my code, it sucks, it's really bad and that also makes me lose motivation whenever I try to build something, for some reason failure is a permanent constant and the fear that I am going to fail anyway keeps me from actually getting trough building something to the end...

* fear that I am going to fail anyway *

That's a shallow explanation; what does this fear of failure mean, to you personally? Fear that who will say what? Fear that who will think what?

Why is it that you associate failing in these tasks as such a bad thing?

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome strong feelings of worthlesness and inadequacy

#29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you.

Seeing "someone professional about your thoughts of suicide" is a good idea if the thoughts are very bad and pervasive and you are in danger to yourself or others, I think. But in the end they'll offer only two things: psychotherapy or psychotropic medication - is that a long-term, sustainable and smart solution?

We've already got a written statement that exhibits most of the classic warning signs of depression. Does the poor guy need to submit it in triplicate before you'll take him seriously?

The OP should worry about the long run, but only after taking every necessary measure to get through the short run.

Meanwhile, whether or not any course of treatment is a long-term, sustainable, smart solution depends on the patient, of course. Therapy, both short-term and sustained, has markedly improved the lives of multiple friends and relations of mine, and drugs have very definitely saved the lives of a few, and that's just the ones I know about.

Re: Ask HN: How to overcome strong feelings of worthlesness and inadequacy

#30
You sound like me two years ago -- just replace "people on HN" with "classmates". I had clinical depression.

It had very little to do with my ability and everything to do with stress levels, brain chemistry and horrible feedback loops.

My advise for you: You need to stop beating yourself up. You're not worthless. You're not inadequate. Stop saying you'll "never" get there. Don't let that inner voice tell you anything you wouldn't tell your wife/child/best friend. I'm not saying it's an easy thing to do, but it's worth the trouble.

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