I read it as: "Produce great content for free and let Google make money off it." Does Seth see the conflict of interest? Or is it the actual reason behind the post?
Maybe you can't make money doing what you love
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Re: Maybe you can't make money doing what you love
#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's very well documented that rewards diminish both intrinsic motivation and creativity, so this is mostly a moot point. But for the sake of argument: A) The psychological effect of working for a church/patron is probably not analogous to, say, trying to produce a blog post that makes the front page of Digg. To borrow from Herzberg's two-factor theory, their patronage was more of a hygiene factor than a motivation f…
It's likely that the average artist was producing mostly shit in hopes of getting paid. In fact probably even the best artists were producing mostly shit in hopes of getting paid. The great artists couldn't bring themselves to produce shit, any more than great people in any field ever can. Show me an example of shit made by Leonardo or Van Eyck or Brueghel. It's very well documented that rewards diminish both intrins…
Definitely some of my favorite jazz composers have some dark moments. I mean what was Chick Corea thinking in the 80s?! :-)
That said, I think the point stands, and that's why there's not a strong correlation between greatness in the arts and salary. The great artistic minds, even when producing stuff that I feel like was below par for their work, were doing so out of a genuine desire to do something important, even if they didn't have a perfect batting average. Similarly, those who were driven by that desire didn't cave just because they weren't commercial successes.
Re: Maybe you can't make money doing what you love
#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's likely that the average artist was producing mostly shit in hopes of getting paid. In fact probably even the best artists were producing mostly shit in hopes of getting paid. The great artists couldn't bring themselves to produce shit, any more than great people in any field ever can. Show me an example of shit made by Leonardo or Van Eyck or Brueghel. It's very well documented that rewards diminish both intrins…
Definitely some of my favorite jazz composers have some dark moments. I mean what was Chick Corea thinking in the 80s?! :-) That said, I think the point stands, and that's why there's not a strong correlation between greatness in the arts and salary. The great artistic minds, even when producing stuff that I feel like was below par for their work, were doing so out of a genuine desire to do something important, even…
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Re: Maybe you can't make money doing what you love
#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's very well documented that rewards diminish both intrinsic motivation and creativity, so this is mostly a moot point. But for the sake of argument: A) The psychological effect of working for a church/patron is probably not analogous to, say, trying to produce a blog post that makes the front page of Digg. To borrow from Herzberg's two-factor theory, their patronage was more of a hygiene factor than a motivation f…
It's likely that the average artist was producing mostly shit in hopes of getting paid. In fact probably even the best artists were producing mostly shit in hopes of getting paid. The great artists couldn't bring themselves to produce shit, any more than great people in any field ever can. Show me an example of shit made by Leonardo or Van Eyck or Brueghel. It's very well documented that rewards diminish both intrins…
"In studies where they offer one group of undergrads money to complete some random task and another group does it for free?"
The studies are pretty wide ranging. For example, people paid to wear their seatbelts are less likely to do so. People who are offered money if they lose weight are less successful, and are more likely to gain even more weight. If teachers are offered money if their students improve on a test, the students will do worse on the test. Students who study something in an attempt to get a good grade will have a more superficial understanding of the material than they would otherwise.
"Things work differently at the other end of the expertise spectrum."
Maybe that's true once your work is at the genius level and you don't need any more external validation, but even if so how do you get there? If you've been mastering your craft for twenty years and then you're offered money it might not be damaging, if done right, but being offered money too soon may well harm the average person.
"The great artists couldn't bring themselves to produce shit, any more than great people in any field ever can."
George Lucas.
Re: Maybe you can't make money doing what you love
#35Being successful is key and money is an addon.
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#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not to pee on your parade, the only one of that gaggle of technicians that was any good was Hieronymus Bosch!
I miss being on vacation and not having access to wifi...
Take it in the spirit it was offered.... namely, that of post-debate talking headism. Something of a communicable disease, I fear. ;)
Re: Maybe you can't make money doing what you love
#37In some fields doing what you love won't pay your bills. But haven't you noticed that usually people that do what they love they are really good at it? And you keep wondering how he/she does it? A lot of people choose to work in a field that maybe it doesn't suits them or maybe because they have to because of the trends, but be sure that one day they will end up miserable and with no time to do what they really love because time may have passed.
Re: Maybe you can't make money doing what you love
#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's likely that the average artist was producing mostly shit in hopes of getting paid. In fact probably even the best artists were producing mostly shit in hopes of getting paid. The great artists couldn't bring themselves to produce shit, any more than great people in any field ever can. Show me an example of shit made by Leonardo or Van Eyck or Brueghel. It's very well documented that rewards diminish both intrins…
"In studies where they offer one group of undergrads money to complete some random task and another group does it for free?" The studies are pretty wide ranging. For example, people paid to wear their seatbelts are less likely to do so. People who are offered money if they lose weight are less successful, and are more likely to gain even more weight. If teachers are offered money if their students improve on a test,…
There is debate about the impact of reward on motivation. Motivation is a complex thing.
http://www.physorg.com/news4126.html
"George Lucas"
I think that George Lucas has very aptly demonstrated that he is not a great artist. He got lucky with Star Wars. With his next two movies he had the sense to let someone else direct. Then he let the success go to his head.
Re: Maybe you can't make money doing what you love
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
"In studies where they offer one group of undergrads money to complete some random task and another group does it for free?" The studies are pretty wide ranging. For example, people paid to wear their seatbelts are less likely to do so. People who are offered money if they lose weight are less successful, and are more likely to gain even more weight. If teachers are offered money if their students improve on a test,…
There is debate about the impact of reward on motivation. Motivation is a complex thing. http://www.physorg.com/news4126.html "George Lucas" I think that George Lucas has very aptly demonstrated that he is not a great artist. He got lucky with Star Wars. With his next two movies he had the sense to let someone else direct. Then he let the success go to his head.
“There are many children for whom the important reward to them is the grades they get, the competition among classmates,” Reiss said. “This goes against what some psychologists say, who think competition is bad and a non-competitive attitude is good, and that learning and curiosity are intrinsic values that everyone shares. They are pushing their own value system on to everybody.”
That last sentence is extremely disingenuous.
I would be like to read the his original argument though.
Re: Maybe you can't make money doing what you love
#40In order to monetize your work, you'll probably corrupt it, taking out the magic in search of dollars. The great artists of the Renaissance were very highly paid. In fact they were probably the best paid craftsmen of the time. And they are hard to beat for magic.
It's very well documented that rewards diminish both intrinsic motivation and creativity, so this is mostly a moot point. But for the sake of argument: A) The psychological effect of working for a church/patron is probably not analogous to, say, trying to produce a blog post that makes the front page of Digg. To borrow from Herzberg's two-factor theory, their patronage was more of a hygiene factor than a motivation f…
"It's very well documented that rewards diminish both intrinsic motivation and creativity"
Citation?