Looking at how Musk handles business and public comms makes me loose more and more respect for this guy with every passing second. It's all fun and games when you have a few hundred mills in the bank. Hopefully the people that left were prepared. Given his public behavior it was kind of expected. I'm not sure if people that stayed are now worse or better off.
Twitter’s mass layoffs have begun
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It would be nice if revenue and employee count were completely independent. Heck, you could fire everyone except one person and have an incredibly high ratio! (Don’t fire that last person or else you’ll get a divide by zero error.) Interestingly, he’s already tweeting out complaints about a massive drop in revenue. His theory is that this is caused not by his erratic behavior, but instead by activists who hate free s…
That tweet really makes me think he has gone paranoid / crazy. “Activists groups pressuring advertisers trying to destroy free speech in America ?” The dude is a conspiracy theorist now ?
So the more undeniably-short-sighted-flat-out-wrong stuff he does the more logic goes out the window.
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#943Ex-Tweep here. US employees need to really thank the WARN act. Without it everyone would likely be fired on Oct 31 with no severance. Now everyone is kept on the payroll until Jan (NY until Feb!) and then getting one more month of base salary. We'll see what happens with lawsuit if they manage to get their Feb vest and bonus as well. (they deserve the bonus at least prorated to Nov). BTW, lots of ML people got hit, a…
regarding RTO/996 I dont see why any good developer should still stay beyond say six more months when economy starts to recover. Musk may think he is a Messiah but so far he has shown he's just a slavedriving billionaire. Those who can escape would as soon as they can & twitter will be left with lifers.
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#944I'm not a huge Musk fan, mostly because of his political ramblings and especially revolving around Ukraine; but I find the sudden hatred of him pretty odd. Mass layoffs happen all the time, Square just announced a 14% cut yesterday. In terms of Twitter's current moderation nothing has really changed on the platform, I'm an avid user and have seen no difference. It's not really just Musk, it feels like there is a turn…
Time and time again, Musk has shown that he does not understand the nuances of free speech and moderation, and has presented nothing to indicate that he has any new solutions to the problems he is claiming to want to solve. You're applying good faith reasoning to someone with a proven track record of acting in bad faith. That's noble of you, but you shouldn't be surprised if others don't follow suit.
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#945Hot take, this was bound to happen at one point or another. Everything I’ve read, and witnessed from using the platform always came back to this thought: “how are they even making money on it?” Policies also placed were just not popular regardless from what you heard from the vocal minority. I personally hope Twitter develops into a platform that has more fair policies, and makes some sort of profit. It sucks to be l…
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#946Nothing. As much as I dislike Twitter overall, it's not replaceable. The main characters driving it (journalists, politicians, the like) have no other central gathering place where they would have the cultural influence that they have now. Their status is exclusively bound to Twitter and cannot be reliably replicated elsewhere.
Have a look at the typical big accounts, with hundreds of thousands of followers and a decade-long history of a few dozen tweets per day. These are the 1-10% Twitter users generating 90% of activity on the network.
Where would they move to? Reddit? Discord? Mastodon? Facebook? I don't think so, that would be a worse experience but more importantly, the audience won't follow.
Twitter power users see themselves as creators, but they are not in the ordinary sense. A photographer or videographer produces tangible content that can stand on its own. As such, they can move it across networks.
The same thing is not true for a tweet. Sure enough you can move a tiny piece of text to another social network, but it makes no sense there. It doesn't have the cultural relevance or unique twitter mechanics of amplification. When your creation is snippets of texts that generate outrage, you're in Twitter prison.
Bottom line, I believe the above is what would keep Twitter alive even if temporarily takes some hits.
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#947Sorry to say this but comments on this thread are very disappointing and show a basic lack of empathy in HN crowd. I am obviously generalizing and I know most of you are not heartless souls. FFS people, a huge number of people have lost their livelihoods, sense of belonging and might fall into financial hardships in current market conditions. Whatever you think of Elon or Twitter employees, its good to be grounded in…
I don't really relate or sympathize with the Silicon Valley types, no. I don't do the yoga and $8 latte-shakes and the Kegerators and Ping-Ping tables; I come into an office I rent myself in a flyover state, do a full day of work, and then go home, usually after sundown, seven days a week, and I make a lot less than those kids in California do. So it doesn't really burn me up to see the less productive ones trimmed o…
No it’s crazier than that they get paid for the next 90 days but are not allowed to work at Twitter. They’re in a paid but ‘non-working’ status. In addition they will be offered severance. This board is hilarious in thinking that the package musk is offering is in any way ‘cruel’.
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What is the new vision for twitter? Musk has ridiculed his customers, acted unpredictably, and fired people unceremoniously while joking about on Twitter. To me, all of the reaction seems to be completely appropriate given his actions. This is why actions matter! This is why CEO’s get communications training, because in the absence of reading his mind, the world has to react to his behavior. Being a leader of a 45 bi…
Do you honestly think your first sentence has anything to do with public/media reaction? I mean honestly? Because the same reaction happened in April when none of this had occurred. There had been a turn against Musk before the Twitter acquisition was even a thought. I just find it interesting.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33475005
But in April he was like chief internet meme operator manipulating dogecoin markets and building a case for free speech absolutism. So yeah, I 100% honestly believe that the public and media's reaction is mostly rational.
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I'd say it's typical discourse in today's world to consider Musk either a total failure or the greatest genius ever. Everything has to be boiled down to this simple Disney-like binary. Anyway, on this one I consider the chance of failure to be high, from a financial point of view but also because a social network is not an engineering challenge. That said, he seems to seek out such unlikely adventures. I think Twitte…
> a social network is not an engineering challenge this is a sign that youve never had to support the scale of a popular social network
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#950A lot of the tweets that are quoted in the article have been removed. For example, Twitter employee Cristina Angeli is mentioned in the story for having tweeted an image of "staff members... flooding an internal Slack channel with blue heart emojis as they wait to learn their fate tomorrow", but that tweet is deleted on twitter itself because "This Tweet violated the Twitter Rules." This is ironic if you consider all…
> "freedom of speech" (I know that the first amendment only applies to government censorship, but Musk likes to pretend not to) Freedom of speech is not the first amendment and vice versa. Freedom of speech is an ideal that applies to all people and all spaces, public and private, while the First Amendment only applies in America and to the government. People think they sound smart when they say freedom of speech onl…
Private spaces? Nonsense. You can't go in to a restaurant and start ranting about the Jews or whatever, and then say that they're violating the "ideal of free speech" when they kick you out. Free speech means you get to espouse an idea, not force people to hear it.
The disagreement is about whether Twitter is a public or private space. It seems to me to be pretty obviously private, and AFAICT the people who argue that it's public don't have much justification beyond "I want it to be, because I or someone I like got kicked out."