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Re: Twitter’s mass layoffs have begun

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And so the grand experiment begins. I feel bad for the folks losing their job because that always sucks, and I hope there's a decent severance package. Now we'll see what happens to Twitter... I hardly use it, so if it implodes it won't bother me too much. But I am curious to see if all the "how do you need X people to do Y?" commenters are correct in this case. The app is simple but doing simple things at scale is h…

> The app is simple but doing simple things at scale is hard. I wonder if we'll see more downtime and issues now. So, here's what I've never figured out... Once your app is built, and you've figured out how to scale it, and everything is autoscaling nicely, and you've reached the critical mass Twitter has...why do you still need all the engineers? Why do you need to keep growing? At some point, isn't the scaling solv…

Once your app gets to that level, even keeping the lights on requires work. Third party dependencies don’t stop updates, security or otherwise. Laws and regulations change. Advertisers demand features that aren’t seen by the general public. Multiple SRE teams are needed to handle oncall rotations, outages, etc. And now that you have thousands of employees, you need to start building automated HR and IT tooling.

Re: Twitter’s mass layoffs have begun

#882

And so the grand experiment begins. I feel bad for the folks losing their job because that always sucks, and I hope there's a decent severance package. Now we'll see what happens to Twitter... I hardly use it, so if it implodes it won't bother me too much. But I am curious to see if all the "how do you need X people to do Y?" commenters are correct in this case. The app is simple but doing simple things at scale is h…

> The app is simple but doing simple things at scale is hard. I wonder if we'll see more downtime and issues now. So, here's what I've never figured out... Once your app is built, and you've figured out how to scale it, and everything is autoscaling nicely, and you've reached the critical mass Twitter has...why do you still need all the engineers? Why do you need to keep growing? At some point, isn't the scaling solv…

I think the issue with these massive scale apps is that people want better and fresher features which are not always well defined and get lost in the maze of product development of a huge company. They have to make decisions, do we go with web3 stuff or do we improve current NLP system etc etc. Making decisions is much easier for a small startup than a behemoth of twitters size. And yes, it takes many people. 1000 engineers? Maybe not, bloat has set in at that point, but a few hundred for sure.

Re: Twitter’s mass layoffs have begun

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There's an asymmetry here where Twitter and other companies get blamed for layoffs, but didn't get praised for providing highly paid jobs that put their employees in the top 1%. Even Stripe just had layoffs and they are a much more productive, tighter run ship. Twitter cutting deeper than Stripe shouldn't be surprising. It's not a secret that they were overstaffed and are known for rest & vest. This goes way back. In…

Well, it's mostly not Twitter betting blamed for layoffs, it's Musk. Twitter provided those jobs, not Musk. Musk is doing the layoffs, not Twitter. So someone not responsible in the least for the creation of those jobs is ending them. That is not to say the layoffs were not needed or justified (I don't know) but the asymmetry exists because it's an asymmetric situation.

Layoffs that improve economic productivity should be celebrated. The executives who do them should be congratulated. They are creating economic surplus by freeing up labor to add value elsewhere in the economy where it's needed more. So few people understand how much human prosperity would be stunted if people weren't allowed to be terminated when they were no longer productively adding value in a position.

Re: Twitter’s mass layoffs have begun

#884

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The way employees were treated was beyond disgraceful." Sorry I may have missed this in the article–was it something beyond being laid off? Being laid off sucks (it's happened to me) but it's a normal part of business operations.

They are treated like disposable trash, tossed into the wind by a capricious ultra-rich jerk who bought the company on a whim. The consequences of that poorly thought out “decision” meant the purchase had to be a leveraged buyout which necessitated heavy cost cutting. How is this not disgraceful? This not “normal business operations”, this is peoples lives being torn apart while the ultra rich play games with their l…

How is it disgraceful to lay off a rich tech worker who isn't needed in the company anymore and can add more value elsewhere in the economy? This is a big part of economic prosperity that we all enjoy. Sometimes people need to get fired. It sucks, but if everyone was in a jobs protection racket, that would suck much much more.

Re: Twitter’s mass layoffs have begun

#885

I'm not a huge Musk fan, mostly because of his political ramblings and especially revolving around Ukraine; but I find the sudden hatred of him pretty odd. Mass layoffs happen all the time, Square just announced a 14% cut yesterday. In terms of Twitter's current moderation nothing has really changed on the platform, I'm an avid user and have seen no difference. It's not really just Musk, it feels like there is a turn…

What is the new vision for twitter? Musk has ridiculed his customers, acted unpredictably, and fired people unceremoniously while joking about on Twitter. To me, all of the reaction seems to be completely appropriate given his actions. This is why actions matter! This is why CEO’s get communications training, because in the absence of reading his mind, the world has to react to his behavior. Being a leader of a 45 bi…

Do you honestly think your first sentence has anything to do with public/media reaction? I mean honestly? Because the same reaction happened in April when none of this had occurred. There had been a turn against Musk before the Twitter acquisition was even a thought. I just find it interesting.

Re: Twitter’s mass layoffs have begun

#886

The way employees were treated was beyond disgraceful. Really feel sorry for my younger self who believed that Musk truly cares about Humanity. Never ever hero worship a billionaire while thinking he will change the world. They are all ego manic pos hungry for more and more control. Small things you can do a) If you care about environment don't buy an over expensive electric car. Think about efforts to improve Public…

Starlink's total bandwidth is about the same as a small regional ISP. There is no way it will ever "control the world's internet". Starlink will serve many places where terrestrial wired or wireless access doesn't make sense, including oceans, very rural areas, uninhabited areas, airplanes, rockets, etc. It will never be able to serve 1% of a high density city. It will never control anything on the scale of the world…

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/11/04/poli...

Example of how musk can blackmail governments at critical juncture. Never ever should any govt depend on this egomaniac POS for such critical infra

Re: Twitter’s mass layoffs have begun

#887

A lot of the tweets that are quoted in the article have been removed. For example, Twitter employee Cristina Angeli is mentioned in the story for having tweeted an image of "staff members... flooding an internal Slack channel with blue heart emojis as they wait to learn their fate tomorrow", but that tweet is deleted on twitter itself because "This Tweet violated the Twitter Rules." This is ironic if you consider all…

> This is ironic if you consider all the complaining that Musk does in the public sphere about "freedom of speech" Another ironic thing is the number of people who lectured anyone disagreeing with twitter's content moderation decisions that twitter is a commercial enterprise that can do whatever it pleases (usually this means yielding to activist pressure) and who are now acting indignant when Musk acts like he owns…

Consistency is not Musk's strong suit.

Re: Twitter’s mass layoffs have begun

#888

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those techies had years in which to organize their workplace under US labor law to forestall exactly this kind of outcome. For the past 20 years, there was no group of employees on earth with more latent power than US tech workers, but this very fact blinded them to the possibility that they might ever lose this power. What feeble efforts there were at collective action were organized around divisive "social justice"…

So its our fault for not making a union? Also nothing to do with 40 year decline in consumer rights & stagnated wages & heavy influence of money in politics. Also, to quote Stephen Colbert, its the ribcage's fault that victim got knifed.

> its our fault for not making a union

Surely a union would help avoid this exactly kind of things, I can assure you. Once I kept my job thanks to a union when there were mass layoffs at a company I worked for. Also, a union would probably have negotiated something better than an "at will" contract, which I assume Twitter employees are bound to.

Re: Twitter’s mass layoffs have begun

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How do you fire the right people? Where is the information about who to fire and who to keep coming from?

At previous places I’ve been at it seems like it’s easier for higher ups to just blanket fire people and then rehire the important ones once people in the know complain. Not super efficient but definitely faster and comical in a depressing way.

If they do that outside the US they risk facing a fun series of expensive lawsuits.

Re: Twitter’s mass layoffs have begun

#890

A lot of the tweets that are quoted in the article have been removed. For example, Twitter employee Cristina Angeli is mentioned in the story for having tweeted an image of "staff members... flooding an internal Slack channel with blue heart emojis as they wait to learn their fate tomorrow", but that tweet is deleted on twitter itself because "This Tweet violated the Twitter Rules." This is ironic if you consider all…

> "This Tweet violated the Twitter Rules."

Censorship at its best. Not optimistic about Twitter and where it's heading to.

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