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I fought the PayPal and I won

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Re: I fought the PayPal and I won

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Post by ggreer »

a_shovel wrote: post #281
mustache_kimono wrote: post #171

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From the linked article: > "Behind a veneer of empathy and concern, Singal has supplied anti-trans narratives that the right has found appealing." As an occasional listener to Singal's very good podcast (which covers mostly internet controversy), I have to say -- Singal comes across as thoughtful and empathetic, precisely because he actually seems to be thoughtful and empathetic. So, briefly, a generally left-leaning…

Saying Singal "obviously" operates in good faith is an exaggeration. Michael Hobbes on Twitter has a few threads regarding Singal where he shows how Singal likes to move the goalposts and accuse people of being "irresponsible" for making straightforwardly true claims (even ones that are supported by his own evidence). [ https://twitter.com/search?q=from%3ARottenInDenmark%20jesse&... ]

I'm pretty sure it's Hobbes who is acting in bad faith. Most of his links are to things that don't support his claims. For example, he'll claim that puberty blockers are completely reversible, but link to an NHS site that says some long term effects are unknown[1], and though GIDS claims the physical effects are reversible, GIDS was shut down due safety issues.[2]

Hobbes also accused Jesse of recruiting detransitioners from a transphobic website[3][4], but the site in question only allows females to join, so Jesse couldn't have used that site to find the people he interviewed for his article.

Lastly, Hobbes blocks his opponents, then screenshots their tweets and argues against them. This makes it much harder for his targets to respond to him and correct the record. It really seems like he doesn't care about what's true, just what he can get others to believe.

1. https://twitter.com/RottenInDenmark/status/15820931910080921...

2. https://web.archive.org/web/20220728150640/https://www.theti...

3. https://archive.ph/cl9U8

4. https://kyschevers.medium.com/telling-the-whole-story-a-clos...

Re: I fought the PayPal and I won

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Post by themeiguoren »

ciroduran wrote: post #123

This article reminds me of the epic patio11's thread: https://twitter.com/patio11/status/906384638733467648 "You do not want to be read as someone who is angry and needs to be talked down. You want to be read as someone collecting a paper trail."

Written up as a blog post: https://www.kalzumeus.com/2017/09/09/identity-theft-credit-r...

Re: I fought the PayPal and I won

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Post by TulliusCicero »

parker_mountain wrote: post #44
TulliusCicero wrote: post #33

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Sorry, what does this article have to do with social justice issues?

Aside from the article's snide mention of "sex realism", the reason this person was banned from paypal was likely tied to their anti-trans "activism".

Hmm, maybe, but if that was the case, would they get reinstated so easily? Getting immediately reinstated makes it sound more like it was a mistake, not the result of some real internal policy.

Re: I fought the PayPal and I won

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Post by LoganDark »

astura wrote: post #276
LoganDark wrote: post #59

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If you live in the US, you could use Privacy for this (privacy.com). Not only do they allow you to create a separate card for each merchant, pause/unpause/close/set spend limits and so on, but their support is so nice that half the time they'll just give you credit instead of making you bother with a proper chargeback. And you can do that over email . Works even with merchants that don't support PayPal. Everyone supp…

Can only load privacy.com with a bank account last I checked, I prefer to use a credit card.

If you contact their support over email they'll enable the option for you to use a card as your funding source. But IIRC you have to connect a bank account first with more than $50 in it and then you can switch to the card.

Source: I use a card as my funding source.

Re: I fought the PayPal and I won

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Post by fortran77 »

I think a lot of these companies make two mistakes. They allow rogue employees to have too much power in banning users, and their knee-jerk reaction to an account that gets too many “reporters” is to suspend it.

So a bunch of Tumbler users who get mad at someone can report en masse a Twitter user, or an Etsy employee who gets his feelings hurts can click on a button and get an account blocked. The C staff and legal have no idea this is going on.

Re: I fought the PayPal and I won

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Post by gw98 »

simiones wrote: post #277
duxup wrote: post #206

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Brazil (1985 film) was not supposed to be an instruction manual! The scale of these absurdities is just wild. Years ago I signed up for a domain for my blogger.com blog. At some point google decided to transfer the management of that domain to google workspaces ... I don't know how or why but they did. So when it expired I was told to login to google workspaces, but I don't have a google workspaces account at the ema…

I think Kafka's The Trial is an even better fit - in Brazil, you could at least see some of the machinations unfolding - in The Trial, like in reality, you only hit a wall of the bureaucrats telling you that your case is being studied with no way of knowing when or if you will ever get anything more.

This sounds like AWS support on a bad week.

Re: I fought the PayPal and I won

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Post by ALittleLight »

skrebbel wrote: post #272
lupire wrote: post #232

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I don't get it. The lawyer asked "“Is there anything the court would like to review to reconsider?” and the judge said, oh, well "since you have asked if I want to, yeah I guess I do, so I'll just change my ruling for no reason?"

Exactly that. I had to read it twice too. The way I read it is there were so many hearings so quickly in a row that the judge was in some sort of blur. Case, bam, verdict. Case, bam, verdict. One every 10 minutes. And in that situation, just from being asked to think it over a few more seconds, she saw that maybe she had it wrong and changed her mind.

My reading was that the judge had thirty seconds to regard the grieving family and changed her mind and asking her to reconsider gave her an easy opportunity to change the sentence.

Re: I fought the PayPal and I won

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Post by [deleted] »

Kye wrote: post #273
adrusi wrote: post #266

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Singal isn't a bigot. It's not the service to trans people that many people seem to think it is to call anyone who documents unflattering dimensions of trans politics a bigot. Colin Wright, mentioned in the article, could more reasonably be called a bigot, though having his Paypal account terminated on that basis wouldn't be just. But this really shouldn't be about Singal or Wright. I, a trans woman, had a fine eveni…

I think I'll stick with my original opinion based on my own experience and reading. You don't get to decide for me any more than I get to decide for you.

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Re: I fought the PayPal and I won

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Post by recuter »

Kye wrote: post #273
adrusi wrote: post #266

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Singal isn't a bigot. It's not the service to trans people that many people seem to think it is to call anyone who documents unflattering dimensions of trans politics a bigot. Colin Wright, mentioned in the article, could more reasonably be called a bigot, though having his Paypal account terminated on that basis wouldn't be just. But this really shouldn't be about Singal or Wright. I, a trans woman, had a fine eveni…

I think I'll stick with my original opinion based on my own experience and reading. You don't get to decide for me any more than I get to decide for you.

> You don't get to decide for me any more than I get to decide for you.

> There's a way to bring stuff like this up on HN

Mhm. Let the dark lord decide for all of us I say. After all it is only a matter of proper verbiage how to most effectively ostracize someone you've personally deemed unlikeable eh?

Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn

Re: I fought the PayPal and I won

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Post by DanBC »

ggreer wrote: post #301
a_shovel wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Saying Singal "obviously" operates in good faith is an exaggeration. Michael Hobbes on Twitter has a few threads regarding Singal where he shows how Singal likes to move the goalposts and accuse people of being "irresponsible" for making straightforwardly true claims (even ones that are supported by his own evidence). [ https://twitter.com/search?q=from%3ARottenInDenmark%20jesse&... ]

I'm pretty sure it's Hobbes who is acting in bad faith. Most of his links are to things that don't support his claims. For example, he'll claim that puberty blockers are completely reversible, but link to an NHS site that says some long term effects are unknown[1], and though GIDS claims the physical effects are reversible, GIDS was shut down due safety issues.[2] Hobbes also accused Jesse of recruiting detransitione…

The unsafeness of the Tavistock clinic had nothing to do with puberty blockers - Tavi didn't prescribe[1] any puberty blockers to any child. And while the clinic provided by Tavistock is closing there will be many other clinics opening. Provision of gender affirming care to children is being expanded.

[1] This is the big problem with threads like these. You can just lie and no-one knows any different because there's so much disinformation being spread. You shouldn't spread disinformation, and you should feel bad about doing so.

The fact that you don't understand the basics (that Tavistock didn't do any prescribing) but you feel confident enough to comment is peak fucking HN. Bunch of dunning kruger cunts.

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