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Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

#61
Honestly, what? Every job I have had in IT/programming/universities/heavy industry have been "at will". We can fire you at any time for any reason.

Is silicon valley not like this? What is this "advanced notice"?? No, really, I am not taking sides, but is this how it works at some places? I have been working for several decades, I have _never_ heard of this.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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> Additional plaintiffs, Justine De Caires, Jessica Pan, and Grae Kindel said they were terminated on November 3 by being locked out of their accounts. > Under Twitter’s takeover deal terms, Musk had agreed to keep employee compensation and benefits the same. That means the laid-off employees should receive 60 days of salary and the cash value of the stock they were to receive within three months of their last date a…

According to a leak to Business Insider[0], they are still "employed" but are not allowed to work. [0] https://www.businessinsider.com/read-blunt-email-telling-twi...

Good luck even showing actual damages then. Employment lawsuits from line employees really aren’t that scary to big companies. The case law in California at least is quite clear. I’m not a lawyer, but the source for this information is a lawyer I conferred with. He said legally I had a solid case but he wasn’t interested in 30% of three months compensation.

Actual damages are practically capped around 3 months on the theory that you should be able to find a new job in that timeframe. And if you don’t, then that’s evidence you’re not actually qualified qualified and the termination wasn’t wrongful! And if Twitter is effectively paying 60 day’s severance then it’s even harder to show actual damages.

Now theoretically punitive damages are a possibility. I assume that’s what this lawsuit is hinging on, raising the however unlikely possibility that a jury might vote for punitive damages. That almost certainly won’t happen though absent gross malfeasance: think outright full blown macroaggression racism or sexism. Otherwise, well privileged tech nerds like tweeps just aren’t very likely to get a jury all riled.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

#63

Honestly, what? Every job I have had in IT/programming/universities/heavy industry have been "at will". We can fire you at any time for any reason. Is silicon valley not like this? What is this "advanced notice"?? No, really, I am not taking sides, but is this how it works at some places? I have been working for several decades, I have _never_ heard of this.

California has 60 days.

Most European countries have more

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

#64
post #21

Lots of people saying "Why is this lawsuit needed? Musk / Twitter HR would obviously comply with the law". Bear in mind that Musk has a history of not complying with legal obligations unless forced to (e.g. honoring the agreement to purchase Twitter).

> "Musk has a history of not complying with legal obligations unless forced to..." In that case, Musk sounds very much like every government, business, politician, friend, family member and neighbor I've ever known. In other words, that's how the world generally works.

>In other words, that's how the world generally works.

And suing people for it is also how the world works.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

#65
Musk is openly antagonistic to any kind of regulation and regulatory bodies. This is all a game to him. Any fines he faces are the price of having fun, to him. It's why whether Twitter succeeds or fails is a moot point. He doesn't actually care about Twitter. It's a toy. It's an RC plane he's flying around, right now, and it's just a matter of time before he intentionally aims it into the ground to see how big of an explosion he can make.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

#66

Honestly, what? Every job I have had in IT/programming/universities/heavy industry have been "at will". We can fire you at any time for any reason. Is silicon valley not like this? What is this "advanced notice"?? No, really, I am not taking sides, but is this how it works at some places? I have been working for several decades, I have _never_ heard of this.

In most European countries, there are notice periods. Germany has pretty stringent laws regarding this.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

#67
Here is the caselaw for the last time Tesla got sued under WARN Act:

https://casetext.com/case/lynch-v-tesla-inc

https://www.docketalarm.com/cases/Texas_Western_District_Cou...

It gives a good summary of what the law is about

It eventually got settled via arbitration:

https://lawstreetmedia.com/news/tech/tesla-workers-warn-act-...

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

#68
post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's almost as if Elon is being sued to ensure that he follows through with his obligations, since he's so consistently doesn't. Strange. It's like there is a purpose to the lawsuit.

That's not how lawsuits work. You don't sue someone for something they might do with zero indication that they will. When you buy a company headquartered in California and elect to layoff half of it, you probably know your legal obligations.

That is exactly how lawsuits work. They can be used to get a legal judgement to force a party to Cary out a contract when there is reason to think the other party wouldn’t otherwise comply.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

#69
post #21

Lots of people saying "Why is this lawsuit needed? Musk / Twitter HR would obviously comply with the law". Bear in mind that Musk has a history of not complying with legal obligations unless forced to (e.g. honoring the agreement to purchase Twitter).

> "Musk has a history of not complying with legal obligations unless forced to..." In that case, Musk sounds very much like every government, business, politician, friend, family member and neighbor I've ever known. In other words, that's how the world generally works.

Sounds like a lovely family.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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post #63

Honestly, what? Every job I have had in IT/programming/universities/heavy industry have been "at will". We can fire you at any time for any reason. Is silicon valley not like this? What is this "advanced notice"?? No, really, I am not taking sides, but is this how it works at some places? I have been working for several decades, I have _never_ heard of this.

California has 60 days. Most European countries have more

I wasn't aware of the 60 days in CA. Link? Thanks!
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