Lots of people saying "Why is this lawsuit needed? Musk / Twitter HR would obviously comply with the law". Bear in mind that Musk has a history of not complying with legal obligations unless forced to (e.g. honoring the agreement to purchase Twitter).
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Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper
#22> it’s seeking a range of relief, including compensatory damages (including wages owed), as well as declaratory relief, pre- and post-judgment interest, plus other attorneys’ fees and costs. So, the penalty is paying workers the wages they would have been paid anyway under proper notice, plus interest? So for basically ~5-8% more Musk gets to terminate everyone today instead of in 60 days.
The stunning thing is that he didn't consult a proper lawyer that would have told him how to avoid the lawsuit.
I imagine his lawyers are much the same as Trump's - desperately going "Look, you just can't do that!", making sure their objections are written down just in case, and knowing full well he's going to do whatever anyway.
Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper
#23There is no WARN act violation if the employee receives 60 days of severance and some consideration for vesting. Is there any evidence that didn’t happen?
Is the lawsuit itself not evidence? Do you think employees are sitting there thinking "let's waste money and time on a lawsuit that will have no impact." There must have been some good faith believe that Musk had no intention of providing severance. Is that really so hard to believe from the outside?
No, the lawsuit is not evidence. In the US, anyone can sue anyone for anything. That doesn't prove there is merit at all.
Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper
#24> it’s seeking a range of relief, including compensatory damages (including wages owed), as well as declaratory relief, pre- and post-judgment interest, plus other attorneys’ fees and costs. So, the penalty is paying workers the wages they would have been paid anyway under proper notice, plus interest? So for basically ~5-8% more Musk gets to terminate everyone today instead of in 60 days.
No. There are also fines to the state/federal government. I saw one number (CA?) of $500/person/day. Don’t know if that was it or minimum or what.
3,700 employees @ $500/day would be $1.85M / day. Ouch.
Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper
#25I highly doubt HR at Twitter is unaware of the laws here and not giving 60 days notice as part of the exit packages. This is basic stuff easily remedied by corrected exit package details if it did in fact happen.
It makes no sense. Can we apply this to all the other layoffs and probably upcoming layoffs in the coming weeks from big tech? How is Twitter the only company guilty of this?
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#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
No. There are also fines to the state/federal government. I saw one number (CA?) of $500/person/day. Don’t know if that was it or minimum or what.
3,700 employees @ $500/day would be $1.85M / day. Ouch.
Musk is worth $220 billion.
At $1.85 million/day, he'd go broke in only 325 years.
I don't think it's a major worry for him.
Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper
#27> Additional plaintiffs, Justine De Caires, Jessica Pan, and Grae Kindel said they were terminated on November 3 by being locked out of their accounts. > Under Twitter’s takeover deal terms, Musk had agreed to keep employee compensation and benefits the same. That means the laid-off employees should receive 60 days of salary and the cash value of the stock they were to receive within three months of their last date a…
According to a leak to Business Insider[0], they are still "employed" but are not allowed to work. [0] https://www.businessinsider.com/read-blunt-email-telling-twi...
So 3 months of gardening leave with benefits and a final Feb 1 RSU vest. That seems completely fair and reasonable if it's accurate.
Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper
#28> it’s seeking a range of relief, including compensatory damages (including wages owed), as well as declaratory relief, pre- and post-judgment interest, plus other attorneys’ fees and costs. So, the penalty is paying workers the wages they would have been paid anyway under proper notice, plus interest? So for basically ~5-8% more Musk gets to terminate everyone today instead of in 60 days.
The stunning thing is that he didn't consult a proper lawyer that would have told him how to avoid the lawsuit.
I think he did in this case. From a comment by Emedchill near the top of the comments:
According to a leak to Business Insider[0], they are still "employed" but are not allowed to work. [0] https://www.businessinsider.com/read-blunt-email-telling-twi...
So it seems they are still being paid and get their benefits until Feb 2th
Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper
#29> it’s seeking a range of relief, including compensatory damages (including wages owed), as well as declaratory relief, pre- and post-judgment interest, plus other attorneys’ fees and costs. So, the penalty is paying workers the wages they would have been paid anyway under proper notice, plus interest? So for basically ~5-8% more Musk gets to terminate everyone today instead of in 60 days.
No. There are also fines to the state/federal government. I saw one number (CA?) of $500/person/day. Don’t know if that was it or minimum or what.
See the letter in the article below.
https://www.businessinsider.com/read-blunt-email-telling-twi...
Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper
#30> it’s seeking a range of relief, including compensatory damages (including wages owed), as well as declaratory relief, pre- and post-judgment interest, plus other attorneys’ fees and costs. So, the penalty is paying workers the wages they would have been paid anyway under proper notice, plus interest? So for basically ~5-8% more Musk gets to terminate everyone today instead of in 60 days.
The stunning thing is that he didn't consult a proper lawyer that would have told him how to avoid the lawsuit.
Or maybe he did, and decided that getting them out the door now was worth the potential costs from the lawsuit?
If, as some others have said, he's actually paying them for the 60 days, I don't think a judge or jury is going to be very sympathetic.
"So, your boss basically told you to take 60 days off with pay?"