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Ask HN: What can I personally do to fight AGAINST the Copilot class action?

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Re: Ask HN: What can I personally do to fight AGAINST the Copilot class action?

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The best thing you can do is to stay out of the way. Microsoft will hire very talented lawyers who will craft a strategy designed to maximize the odds of winning.

You have no chance to increase those odds; but it’s possible you could reduce them.

Re: Ask HN: What can I personally do to fight AGAINST the Copilot class action?

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What a bizarre post. I haven't come to a definitive conclusion on the subject, but "how can I help a trillion-dollar organization?" is very far from my first thought on it. Is this a service folks have become dependent on?

You need to think bigger — if the class action wins, it effectively would ban training AI classifiers on internet data. Yes, we all want to stick it to Microsoft, but that’s not what’s at stake here.

AI research companies can't be bothered to ethically source data so everyone else should just shut up and take it? It's not like the lawsuit can stop independent researchers from using whatever data they like, but putting the fear of the judge into big AI corps is a good thing.

Re: Ask HN: What can I personally do to fight AGAINST the Copilot class action?

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What a bizarre post. I haven't come to a definitive conclusion on the subject, but "how can I help a trillion-dollar organization?" is very far from my first thought on it. Is this a service folks have become dependent on?

You need to think bigger — if the class action wins, it effectively would ban training AI classifiers on internet data. Yes, we all want to stick it to Microsoft, but that’s not what’s at stake here.

If this class action wins then it means we can put license restrictions on AI-training. "You may use this code to train an AI model as long as you release the weights under AIGPL, and any work substantially derived from the AI output is also released under AIGPL"

If the class action loses then this will not be possible.

Re: Ask HN: What can I personally do to fight AGAINST the Copilot class action?

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I think it's you who are in the "vocal minority". Microsoft Copilot is an abuse of open source. It is perhaps the greatest theft of intellectual property in human history. We should do everything we can to defeat it. That said, here is my Request For Comments regarding a slightly modified BSD 2-Clause License explicitly prohibiting Copilot-style use: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33458374 We need to do everyth…

From an end user perspective, CoPilot has made my coding life dramatically better than any other tool I think I've ever used. The next closest being a good IDE which added code completion, documentation for functions, etc.

What it's functionally doing is incredibly valuable and I want to see it succeed. Figuring out how to navigate licensing effectively is an important step, but as someone who writes open source, I am happy my code is helping potentially make other people's code better too.

Re: Ask HN: What can I personally do to fight AGAINST the Copilot class action?

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I think it's you who are in the "vocal minority". Microsoft Copilot is an abuse of open source. It is perhaps the greatest theft of intellectual property in human history. We should do everything we can to defeat it. That said, here is my Request For Comments regarding a slightly modified BSD 2-Clause License explicitly prohibiting Copilot-style use: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33458374 We need to do everyth…

I love the people that spent decades railing against intellectual property laws and how you can "steal" knowledge are suddenly Disney-level militants on protecting software copyrights

Re: Ask HN: What can I personally do to fight AGAINST the Copilot class action?

#26

I think it's you who are in the "vocal minority". Microsoft Copilot is an abuse of open source. It is perhaps the greatest theft of intellectual property in human history. We should do everything we can to defeat it. That said, here is my Request For Comments regarding a slightly modified BSD 2-Clause License explicitly prohibiting Copilot-style use: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33458374 We need to do everyth…

I love the people that spent decades railing against intellectual property laws and how you can "steal" knowledge are suddenly Disney-level militants on protecting software copyrights

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Re: Ask HN: What can I personally do to fight AGAINST the Copilot class action?

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post #24

I think it's you who are in the "vocal minority". Microsoft Copilot is an abuse of open source. It is perhaps the greatest theft of intellectual property in human history. We should do everything we can to defeat it. That said, here is my Request For Comments regarding a slightly modified BSD 2-Clause License explicitly prohibiting Copilot-style use: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33458374 We need to do everyth…

From an end user perspective, CoPilot has made my coding life dramatically better than any other tool I think I've ever used. The next closest being a good IDE which added code completion, documentation for functions, etc. What it's functionally doing is incredibly valuable and I want to see it succeed. Figuring out how to navigate licensing effectively is an important step, but as someone who writes open source, I a…

The problem is, that it's not only open source but also private repositories on GitHub which aren't open source and might never be.

Re: Ask HN: What can I personally do to fight AGAINST the Copilot class action?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't take a person's name off their work and sell it. People who work hard to produce open source software expect credit and acknowledgement for their work. That's why almost every license has an attribution clause. If you don't want credit for your work, you use the MIT No Attribution License: https://opensource.org/licenses/MIT-0 Not widely used, as you might expect.

Such a short-sighted view. The grand goal of FOSS was the abolition of copyright protection for code and and the end of proprietary software, was it not? Credit and acknowledgment doesn't even figure into it. What is a ML model that has knowledge of huge swaths of humanity's code (eventually all of it) and can serve as an assistant to build any kind of software on demand if not a huge milestone on the road to the tot…

No, that was not the grand goal by any stretch of the imagination.

"Copyleft" protections depend on copyright protections. The reason the GNU GPL can be viral is because the license is preserved from one instance of the code to the next. If credit is not being given, then how can the GPL survive and perpetuate its virality?

RMS wanted software to "be free, like air". Free software is not gained by putting it into proprietary code without licensing it. Free software is not served by filing off the serial numbers and scattering it to the four winds. The writers of free software should be given credit and they also deserve to earn a living from writing it, if they so desire. CoPilot threatens to rob them of that livelihood by side-stepping IP protections.

Re: Ask HN: What can I personally do to fight AGAINST the Copilot class action?

#30
I kind of see where the OP is coming from. HNews has been dominated with posts to do with DALL-E and Stable Diffusion and expressing joy at the ease it has made generating concept art, logos, etc. The small volume of artists expressing their displeasure? Glossed over.

Now that AI is showing face at the first step of removing programmers and allowing business-speaking people to generate code suddenly there's websites and links all over the HNews front page trying to shut down Co Pilot.

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