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Ask HN: What can I personally do to fight AGAINST the Copilot class action?

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Ask HN: What can I personally do to fight AGAINST the Copilot class action?

#1
Few things in software have made me as viscerally angry as witnessing the vocal minority fighting Copilot and now the class action lawsuit. I have no doubts that Microsoft is prepared to defend themselves, but I want to do more.

What is the opposite of class action lawsuit? Has anyone ever done a class-action amicus brief? Can we organize a group of programmers in FAVOR of GitHub Copilot and fight back?

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#2
Well, if they're profiting by serving copyright or copyleft code up for others to use after stripping the associated licensing I would think they're in a bad place. Unless their side effect is (again?) to break GPL and other open-source licenses?

I would think this a risk that commercial customers would want to avoid - getting something GPLv3 or other "infecting" licenses contaminating their product due to a developer cutting/pasting code. I also think that Microsoft would not be interested in getting a result that code was obvious and so could not be protected by patent or copyright.

Anybody using FOSS should be (vaguely) concerned about this kind of legal battle. Would hate to see Linux or GNU damaged to MS's gain.

Re: Ask HN: What can I personally do to fight AGAINST the Copilot class action?

#4
I think it's you who are in the "vocal minority".

Microsoft Copilot is an abuse of open source. It is perhaps the greatest theft of intellectual property in human history.

We should do everything we can to defeat it.

That said, here is my Request For Comments regarding a slightly modified BSD 2-Clause License explicitly prohibiting Copilot-style use:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33458374

We need to do everything we can to defend open source software against Microsoft and the like.

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#7

What a bizarre post. I haven't come to a definitive conclusion on the subject, but "how can I help a trillion-dollar organization?" is very far from my first thought on it. Is this a service folks have become dependent on?

It boggles the mind. I was also in disbelief when I saw this post.

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#8
post #3

Buy a 10tb disk on Amazon for ~$300, start backing up every git repo in existence

Even with a shallow clone, I'm curious what percentage of repos this would hold.

The Stack is ~3tb: https://huggingface.co/datasets/bigcode/the-stack

If you had 10tb worth of decently written code, you could probably train a competitive model.

Re: Ask HN: What can I personally do to fight AGAINST the Copilot class action?

#9

What a bizarre post. I haven't come to a definitive conclusion on the subject, but "how can I help a trillion-dollar organization?" is very far from my first thought on it. Is this a service folks have become dependent on?

You need to think bigger — if the class action wins, it effectively would ban training AI classifiers on internet data.

Yes, we all want to stick it to Microsoft, but that’s not what’s at stake here.

Re: Ask HN: What can I personally do to fight AGAINST the Copilot class action?

#10
For what it’s worth, I agree with you. I understand why most of the HN crowd is against this, because Microsoft is big and evil and people want to see them suffer.

But realistically, a win here would effectively ban training AIs on the internet.

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