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Re: FBI: Carrier IQ files used for "law enforcement purposes"

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Post by rdtsc »

lukeschlather wrote: post #53
redrobot5050 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unknown. However, the FBI can send a remote message to ANY phone to turn on its microphone and essentially use it as a wiretap. That's been built into every phone in the USA for something like 10 years now. It's why you have to surrender a cell phone in secure locations and military bases. That's old news. Said wiretaps have actually been used against organized crime in America in the past and is likely used with mor…

>However, the FBI can send a remote message to ANY phone to turn on its microphone and essentially use it as a wiretap. That's been built into every phone in the USA for something like 10 years now. It's why you have to surrender a cell phone in secure locations and military bases. Really? When a phone is off, it's off, I don't believe the FBI can make a phone that has been hard powered off come up and start recordin…

So how many cell phones do you know that a powered off with a hard switch. You know, flip the switch like you do on your living room light. Or how many people do you know that take their battery out when the power their phone off. Well there is your answer.

Re: FBI: Carrier IQ files used for "law enforcement purposes"

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Post by awakeasleep »

VladRussian wrote: post #59
smokeyj wrote: post #9

A profile is being generated about you, slowly but surely. It starts out as a vague picture, but the more you communicate, the the more clearly you define yourself. It includes your political affiliations, interests you display online, who your friends are, your every movement, your sexual preferences, close secrets, and anything else that can be gathered about you. These profiles are stored in a government database…

>These reports will be sent to the appropriate LEO to summon and indefinitely detain you. You will be sent to a secret prison. it may be not the worst what could happen to one. Reading about Kennedy/Oswald/Ruby, i've been wondering how much of a precisely targetted influence one is needed to be made behaving in a specific way. How much of our actions are really "ours"?

It's a bit scary how quickly our brains stop thinking when these topics come up..

If you have infinite knowledge/power over someone, locking them in jail is about the least profitable or fun thing you can do.

I think most of us come from a sort of middle class, well behaved background that prevents us from conceptualizing what it means to be corrupted by power.

Re: FBI: Carrier IQ files used for "law enforcement purposes"

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Post by meatsock »

redrobot5050 wrote: post #29
sp332 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember a time when they had to get a warrant before logging your information. Now with Carrier ID and Google and Facebook, the information is already collected, and they only need a warrant to access the years and years of detailed historical information. It's quite a big difference.

Carrier IQ isn't used by all carriers (Verizon opts out, I believe) and the data transmitted is anonymous. I admit there is a risk with the data profiles being assembled, and being done so with ease not seen before, but the carrier IQ findings seem to be bad tech reporting and fear mongering. It really seems to be "not a big deal". I am all for advocating privacy and a discussion about user's rights -- but I would li…

whether or not they opt out, its detected on my vz device using the carrier iq detector app.

Re: FBI: Carrier IQ files used for "law enforcement purposes"

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Post by waitwhat »

toyg wrote: post #40
waitwhat wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

phones are exported with that code in place They are? (I hadn't been following this that closely but...) My understanding was that the issue was American carriers customising the OEM software and selling that kit to their own users. See, for example, "So far, all of the major British providers have denied using the tool on their handsets" -- http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/05/european-regulators-set-s...

denied using , not denied shipping . Most likely the software is there, but non-US vendors (and law enforcement agencies -- not everyone is as clued up and as resourceful as the FBI) simply don't exploit it.

"Most likely the software is there".

Do you have any actual evidence for this? Or do you just enjoy throwing around wild accusations?

Re: FBI: Carrier IQ files used for "law enforcement purposes"

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Post by VladRussian »

awakeasleep wrote: post #62
VladRussian wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>These reports will be sent to the appropriate LEO to summon and indefinitely detain you. You will be sent to a secret prison. it may be not the worst what could happen to one. Reading about Kennedy/Oswald/Ruby, i've been wondering how much of a precisely targetted influence one is needed to be made behaving in a specific way. How much of our actions are really "ours"?

It's a bit scary how quickly our brains stop thinking when these topics come up.. If you have infinite knowledge/power over someone, locking them in jail is about the least profitable or fun thing you can do. I think most of us come from a sort of middle class, well behaved background that prevents us from conceptualizing what it means to be corrupted by power.

>I think most of us come from a sort of middle class, well behaved background that prevents us from conceptualizing what it means to be corrupted by power.

from the background i come from it isn't always "corrupted by power", worst/bloodiest outcomes were result of "to have enough power to change the world [or a chunk of it] to the best [as the one having the power sees it]". The unchecked/unlimited power is the main core of the issue, not the specific intentions/people it is being used for/by.

Re: FBI: Carrier IQ files used for "law enforcement purposes"

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Post by rimantas »

rimantas wrote: post #45
JanezStupar wrote: post #16

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And all I can think of is. Holy Shit. Stallman was right. Prescience is a dangerous gift for ones mental health. I like to think of RMS as driven mad by his vision not seeing vision because of being mad.

This has absolutely nothing to do with rms and his visions. Which are wrong.

Apparently many of you think that being "open" helped Android to avoid troubles with Carrier IQ. Or that rms ir right because… because he is right, I suppose. Or he will be shown to be right in some distant future. Or he is right, because he cannot be wrong.

Guys, did you even stop to think what is he right about? Or if you did stop to think about it, did you also think how do you know that he is right? And if you do indeed observe something seemingly proving that he is right, did you consider other options why that particular phenomenon would take place?

On the other hand, seeing this "two legs is bad, four legs is good" mentality in action is absolutely amazing experience.

Re: FBI: Carrier IQ files used for "law enforcement purposes"

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Post by waqf »

eliasmacpherson wrote: post #56

Interesting excerpt from CarrierIQ's apology to Eckhart, which exists thanks to the EFF: We would like to take this opportunity to reiterate the functionality of Carrier IQ’s software, what it does not do and what it does: Does not record your keystrokes. Does not provide tracking tools. Does not inspect or report on the content of your communications, such as the content of emails and SMSs. Does not provide real-tim…

I notice that they don't say that they don't provide Carrier IQ data to third parties, just that they don't sell it.

Re: FBI: Carrier IQ files used for "law enforcement purposes"

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Post by waqf »

redrobot5050 wrote: post #48
lallysingh wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no way to send a remote message to enable it?

Unknown. However, the FBI can send a remote message to ANY phone to turn on its microphone and essentially use it as a wiretap. That's been built into every phone in the USA for something like 10 years now. It's why you have to surrender a cell phone in secure locations and military bases. That's old news. Said wiretaps have actually been used against organized crime in America in the past and is likely used with mor…

I've been hearing that story about the FBI remotely activating cellphone microphones for several years now, but do you have a credible source for it?

Re: FBI: Carrier IQ files used for "law enforcement purposes"

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Post by bitops »

smokeyj wrote: post #9

A profile is being generated about you, slowly but surely. It starts out as a vague picture, but the more you communicate, the the more clearly you define yourself. It includes your political affiliations, interests you display online, who your friends are, your every movement, your sexual preferences, close secrets, and anything else that can be gathered about you. These profiles are stored in a government database…

> A profile is being generated about you, slowly but surely.

In days of old, I would have agreed, but things like Facebook make me question the whole "sinister" aspect of the central database.

Have you noticed how, if the government is the one collecting data, then it's evil? But, give a person the opportunity to share all kinds of private information about themselves on the Internet, they'll do it very quickly and willingly?

Or, we used to worry about those secret chips being implanted in us that could be used to track our location. Well, I don't know about you, but I sure love my location-aware apps that constantly broadcast my location. Cause, of course everyone should where I am all the time!

If it's the government collecting data, then it's surveillance and evil. But if it's just egocentric self-promotion, it's all good.

We live in a world of our own creation. There is no conspiracy but the one we empower others to create.

And yes, I'm going heavy on the hyperbole here as well, but I'm really sort of sick of people whining and complaining about this stuff all the time. But at the same time, they don't want to pay the very real costs associated with privacy, freedom and security.

Re: FBI: Carrier IQ files used for "law enforcement purposes"

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Post by Adolph_Jobs »

bitops wrote: post #69
smokeyj wrote: post #9

A profile is being generated about you, slowly but surely. It starts out as a vague picture, but the more you communicate, the the more clearly you define yourself. It includes your political affiliations, interests you display online, who your friends are, your every movement, your sexual preferences, close secrets, and anything else that can be gathered about you. These profiles are stored in a government database…

> A profile is being generated about you, slowly but surely. In days of old, I would have agreed, but things like Facebook make me question the whole "sinister" aspect of the central database. Have you noticed how, if the government is the one collecting data, then it's evil? But, give a person the opportunity to share all kinds of private information about themselves on the Internet, they'll do it very quickly and w…

The point of most legislation is that people can't always protect themselves. Whether it's from other people, or from large organisations with great power, such as international corporations or the government. Strict privacy laws in more leftist places outside the US protect people from this sort of thing.

The fact is, people don't actually know with whom they're sharing the personal information. They think it's just their friends who can see their status updates / employer / friend network / political affiliation / sexuality. If the CIA called them up and asked them completely straightforwardly to volunteer that information for a national database I'm sure most would immediately refuse outright.

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