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It sounds like a insurmountable problem. What makes this even more interesting to me is that HN seems to have this working pretty well. I wonder how much of it has to do with clear guidelines of what should be valued and what shouldn't and having a community that buys in to that. For example one learns quickly that Reddit-style humor comments are frowned upon because the community enforces it with downvotes and frequ…

I have a suspicion that the medium is the message at HN: No pictures and no avatars. I wonder how much bad behavior is weeded out by the interface itself ? A lot, I suspect …

> No pictures and no avatars

This is essentially moderation rule #0. it is unwritten, enforced before violation can occur, and generates zero complaints because it filters complainers out of the user pool from the start.

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

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The best part of his engrossing Twitter thread is that he inserts a multitweet interstitial "ad" for his passion project promoting reforestation right in the middle of his spiel.

I know, but:

"Please don't pick the most provocative thing in an article or post to complain about in the thread. Find something interesting to respond to instead."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

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Musk is betting on the $8 membership being a big hit, which immediately addresses a lot of the moderation issues.

It's gonna be a completely different paradigm than reddit. Herding cats into a box painted onto the ground vs. herding cats into a 8' high cage.

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

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> Machine learning algorithms are able to accurate identify spam Nope. Not even close. > and itʻs not because they are able to tell itʻs about Viagra or mortgage refinancing Funny, because they can't even tell that. Which is why mail is being ruined by google and microsoft. Yes you could argue that they have incentives to do just that. But that doesn't change the fact that they can't identify spam.

Do you have more info on why you believe this? My experience has been that Google successfully filters spam from my Inbox, consistently. I get (just looked) 30-40 spam messages a day. I've been on Gmail since the invite-only days, so I'm in a lot of lists I guess.. Very Very rarely do they get through the filter. I also check it every couple of days to look for false-positives, and maybe once a month or less I find a…

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Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

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I would frame it more the opposite: I can easily see comments that are worthless to me, and I want to automatically downvote any comments by the same user (perhaps needs tags: there are users whose technical opinions are great, but I’m not interested at all in their jokes or politics). One problem with your idea is that moderation votes are anonymous, but ranking up positively or negatively depending on another users…

In this thread, Yishan promotes an app called Block Party that lets you block anyone, or even all accounts that liked or retweeted something. https://twitter.com/blockpartyapp_

BlockParty is almost the definition of echo chamber construction.

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

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> "Hate," is a weak substitute because it is so vague we can apply it to anything That is a big stretch. Hate can't be applied to many things, including disagreements like this comment. But it can be pretty clearly applied to statements that, if carried out in life, would deny another person or peoples' human rights. Another is denigration or mocking someone on the basis of things that can't or shouldn't have to chan…

Hate absolutely can, and is, applied to disagreements: Plenty of people consider disagreement around allowing natal males in women's sport is hateful. Plenty of people consider opposition to the abolishment of police is hateful. Plenty of people immigration enforcement hateful. I could go on...

Any disagreement is classified as hate now; the word is empty and worthless.

We cannot regulate the internal forum, only the actions we perceive.

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

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The best part of his engrossing Twitter thread is that he inserts a multitweet interstitial "ad" for his passion project promoting reforestation right in the middle of his spiel.

Yes... the irony of discussing signal-to-noise ratio issues (i.e. spam) and then spamming up your own thread. This post sponsored by Irony.

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

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> working on climate: removing CO2 from the atmosphere is critical to overcoming the climate crisis, and the restoration of forests is one of the BEST ways to do that.

As a tangent, Akira Miyawaki has developed a method for 'reconstitution of "indigenous forests by indigenous trees"' which "produces rich, dense and efficient protective pioneer forests in 20 to 30 years"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akira_Miyawaki#Method_and_cond...

It's worth quoting in full:

> Rigorous initial site survey and research of potential natural vegetation

> Identification and collection of a large number of various native seeds, locally or nearby and in a comparable geo-climatic context

> Germination in a nursery (which requires additional maintenance for some species; for example, those that germinate only after passing through the digestive tract of a certain animal, need a particular symbiotic fungus, or a cold induced dorming phase)

> Preparation of the substrate if it is very degraded, such as the addition of organic matter or mulch, and, in areas with heavy or torrential rainfall, planting mounds for taproot species that require a well-drained soil surface. Hill slopes can be planted with more ubiquitous surface roots species, such as cedar, Japanese cypress, and pine.

> Plantations respecting biodiversity inspired by the model of the natural forest. A dense plantation of very young seedlings (but with an already mature root system: with symbiotic bacteria and fungi present) is recommended. Density aims at stirring competition between species and the onset of phytosociological relations close to what would happen in nature (three to five plants per square metre in the temperate zone, up to five or ten seedlings per square metre in Borneo).

> Plantations randomly distributed in space in the way plants are distributed in a clearing or at the edge of the natural forest, not in rows or staggered.

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

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"Hey guys no brigading okay? ;-)" followed by a page which directly links to threads for people to brigade. They don't even bother to use the np.reddit "no participation" domain. Most other subs don't even allow you to link outside the sub, because they've been warned by admins about brigading. Their rules barely even mention brigading: https://www.reddit.com/r/subredditdrama/wiki/rules , and you have to go to the ex…

IIRC, np was the norm for many years and it just didn't actually change anything. Oodles of people do get banned from SRD for commenting in linked threads. The easiest way to see this is when month+ old threads get linked. Only the admins can see downvoting patterns. Is simply linking to other threads on reddit sufficient for you to consider something promoting brigading?

> Is simply linking to other threads on reddit sufficient for you to consider something promoting brigading?

As I mentioned previously, linking to other subs, or even simply _talking_ about /r/StarTrek, was enough for admins to accuse /r/Star_Trek of brigading. They threatened to shut them down unless they stopped members from doing that, and so you're not allowed to do it in the sub anymore.

Whether you think that linking to other subs is brigading or not, it's clear that admins call it brigading when they want to shut down subs, yet then let continue on much larger subs dedicated to the act as long as the admins like the sub.

Edit: For example, here's a highly upvoted SRD post talking about the admins threatening /r/Star_Trek if they mention /r/StarTrek[1]. They call /r/Star_Trek linking to /r/StarTrek posts to complain about them "brigading," in the same post that they themselves are linking to a /r/Star_Trek post in order to complain about it.

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/tuem1m/the_...

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

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He is half-correct, but not in a good way. When people on the left say something that goes against new-left agenda, they get suppressed too. That is not a redeeming quality of the system or an indicator of fairness. It simply shows that the ideology driving moderation is even more narrow-minded and intolerant of dissent than most observers assume at first sight. At the same time, it's trivial to demonstrate that YouT…

Or consider that perhaps the right in particular tends to harbor and support people who lean more towards disinformation, hate speech, and incitement to violence.

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