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Re: Universal Paperclips

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Post by Damogran6 »

Keyframe wrote: post #57
NKosmatos wrote: post #15

A warning to fellow HNers that are not familiar with universal paperclips. Please don’t click the link as it will create a black time hole that will start absorbing your time and reduce your productivity. Be warned that this isn’t a naive lazy clicker game, it’s an instrument of destruction from the future, created by our paperclip overlords :-)

You might be reading these comments and going like - huh, seems a lot of people agreeing, now I HAVE TO SEE IT. Don't. You have been warned.

I've seen it, and it didn't grab me. I think I'm a special kind of stupid. Whew.

Re: Universal Paperclips

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Post by coldpie »

NKosmatos wrote: post #15

A warning to fellow HNers that are not familiar with universal paperclips. Please don’t click the link as it will create a black time hole that will start absorbing your time and reduce your productivity. Be warned that this isn’t a naive lazy clicker game, it’s an instrument of destruction from the future, created by our paperclip overlords :-)

I clicked the button until it said 30, clicked all the other buttons a few times and nothing happened, then closed the tab. I guess I'm immune.

When does it get interesting?

Re: Universal Paperclips

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Post by Damogran6 »

bena wrote: post #91
literalAardvark wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you've never played it, it's worth finishing once for the "story" and takes less than 10 hours if you grok exponential growth quick enough.

There's an optimal path that can get you to the end in 3 to 4 hours. Really, it's about getting to space then being able to configure your drones to survive fights and explore.

How many playthroughs did it take for you to find this?

Re: Universal Paperclips

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Post by Mathnerd314 »

dang wrote: post #4

Related: Universal Paperclips - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29496595 - Dec 2021 (82 comments) Universal Paperclips – play the role of an AI programmed to produce paperclips - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27121348 - May 2021 (2 comments) Universal Paperclips - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26524117 - March 2021 (1 comment) A filmmaker thinks he can turn Universal Paperclips into a movie (2019)…

Seems like it gets popular about once a year.

Re: Universal Paperclips

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Post by PartiallyTyped »

manholio wrote: post #99
PartiallyTyped wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not necessarily; the AI could figure out how to change the world - without achieving the task - such that the RF is maximized.

Like in the NI case, it's conceivable that only the most rudimentary artificial intellects will fall pray to this self hacking. Trully intelligent agents will be capable of introspection and self-defined goals and rewards. You know, just like a certain species of ape, hard wired for banana maximization, the descendants of which sometimes dream of visiting Mars.

And yet said species is notoriously known for its inability to make long term plans, is easily controlled by its own libido and dopamine circuits.

Actually, if we are being honest with ourselves, that ape is constantly falling prey to its own capacity to adjust its goals. Take for example the issues that come with porn addiction; the issues are a consequence of dopamine seeking behaviour where the person keeps seeking more and more extreme ways to satisfy their urges; ie hedonistic adaptation.

Even what you mentioned, dreaming of visiting mars is to some degree a goal motivated and mediated by dopaminergic circuits; novelty, exploration - like sex - feed dopamine circuits.

I can recommend the book "The molecule of more".

Introspection is very limited and can be even motivated by the circuits themselves; the person can only achieve an outline of their actions to change their software, but can't inspect and manipulate individual synapses. In the same vein, a software can not inspect itself and predict its own outputs and modify them at runtime etc etc.

Re: Universal Paperclips

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Post by __MatrixMan__ »

coldpie wrote: post #113
NKosmatos wrote: post #15

A warning to fellow HNers that are not familiar with universal paperclips. Please don’t click the link as it will create a black time hole that will start absorbing your time and reduce your productivity. Be warned that this isn’t a naive lazy clicker game, it’s an instrument of destruction from the future, created by our paperclip overlords :-)

I clicked the button until it said 30, clicked all the other buttons a few times and nothing happened, then closed the tab. I guess I'm immune. When does it get interesting?

It gets interesting once you see that hypno drones are something that you can save up for and buy. You're an AI, so the ability to influence the humans around you is useful.

You'll need somewhat more than 30 paperclips to get the full story.

Re: Universal Paperclips

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Post by __MatrixMan__ »

Keyframe wrote: post #57
NKosmatos wrote: post #15

A warning to fellow HNers that are not familiar with universal paperclips. Please don’t click the link as it will create a black time hole that will start absorbing your time and reduce your productivity. Be warned that this isn’t a naive lazy clicker game, it’s an instrument of destruction from the future, created by our paperclip overlords :-)

You might be reading these comments and going like - huh, seems a lot of people agreeing, now I HAVE TO SEE IT. Don't. You have been warned.

I lost about a week to it the first time. It was worth it.

Never has a game made its point so well as universal paperclips.

Re: Universal Paperclips

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Post by coldpie »

__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #117
coldpie wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I clicked the button until it said 30, clicked all the other buttons a few times and nothing happened, then closed the tab. I guess I'm immune. When does it get interesting?

It gets interesting once you see that hypno drones are something that you can save up for and buy. You're an AI, so the ability to influence the humans around you is useful. You'll need somewhat more than 30 paperclips to get the full story.

So, the first thing happens at 31? 500?

Re: Universal Paperclips

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Post by __MatrixMan__ »

coldpie wrote: post #119
__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It gets interesting once you see that hypno drones are something that you can save up for and buy. You're an AI, so the ability to influence the humans around you is useful. You'll need somewhat more than 30 paperclips to get the full story.

So, the first thing happens at 31? 500?

I don't know. I'm at 16,285 and stuff is happening. If you optimize your price and invest in auto clippers it shouldn't take too long to really get rolling.

If the available inventory is bouncing off of 0 your price is too low, if it's growing, it's too high, so you (as an AI) are learning about market clearing price right now. Later, you'll learn other things.

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