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Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

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Post by adharmad »

lm28469 wrote: post #50
polytely wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never understood this, it's just reading: you start at the beginning of tweet, you read it, then go to the next tweet and read it. How is that different from reading paragraphs?

idk man Maybe we could put more Words in a single Please visit my new website and subscribe to my podcast Line so it would be More readable random user comment: yes you're right mark that would be better and much more user friendly _ insert latest Musk schizophrenic rant_ Ah and I forgot the "sign up to read the rest" pop up that seemingly appears at random interval

Like re-inventing Bukowski's writing style with terrible UX

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

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Post by count »

nradov wrote: post #186
count wrote: post #110

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Society is a closed system, twitter is not outside of society. The people on twitter are real people (well, mostly, probably), and have real political opinions. If you talk to people, by and large they'll profess moderate opinions, because in person discussions still trigger politeness and non-confrontational emotions in most people, so the default 'safe' thing to say is the moderate choice, no matter what their true…

Nah. Even those few accounts on Twitter that are actually run by real people (not bots) are mostly trolling to some extent. It's all a big joke.

I thought that as well, until about Nov 2016...

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

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Post by raxxorraxor »

ojosilva wrote: post #190

There are so many tangible vectors in content! It makes me feel like moderation is a doable, albeit hard to automate, task: - substantiated / unsubstantiated - extreme / moderate - controversial / anodyne - fact / fun / fiction - legal / unlawful - mainstream / niche - commercial / free - individual / collective - safe / unsafe - science / belief - vicious / humane - blunt / tactful - etc. etc. Maybe I'm too techno-u…

Not a good idea. Your example already has flaws. An AI could perform on a larger scale, but the result would be worse. Probably far worse.

I specifically don't want any editor for online content. Just don't make it boring or worse turn everything into astroturfing. Masks are a good example already.

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

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Post by PM_me_your_math »

pjc50 wrote: post #139
PM_me_your_math wrote: post #30

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To be honest, and maybe this will be panned, but the real answer is for people to grow thicker skin and stop putting one's feelings on a pedestal above all.

Paul Pelosi's skin wasn't thick enough to deflect hammers. (OK, that wasn't a twitter problem, but the attack on him was 100% a product of unmoderated media in general)

I respectfully disagree. Beyond the reason that there is no way you can be 100% certain 'unmoderated media' was the primary motivator. Nobody can presume to know his motivations or inner dialogue. A look at that mans history shows clear mental health issues and self-destructive behavior so we can infer some things but never truly know.

Violence exists outside of mean tweets and political rhetoric. People, even crazy ones, almost always have their own agency even if it runs contrary to what most consider to be normal thoughts and behavior. They choose to act, regardless of others and mostly without concern or conscious. There are crazy people out there and censoring others wont ever stop bad people from doing bad things. If so, then how do we account for the evils done by those prior to our inter-connected world?

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

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Post by lm28469 »

dubeye wrote: post #167
lm28469 wrote: post #11

Reading these threads on twitter is like listening to a friend having a bad mdma trip replaying his whole emotional life to you in a semi incoherent diarrhea like stream of thoughts Please write a book, or at the very least an article... posting on twitter is like writing something on a piece of paper, showing it to your best friend and worst enemy before throwing it in the trash

You do sound a bit like my dad complaining about youngsters reading kindle. I read long twitter threads often, you get used to it

People also can get used to a diet of stale bread and bad soup, it doesn't mean I'm striving for a stale bread and bad soup diet

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

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Post by gort19 »

dubeye wrote: post #167
lm28469 wrote: post #11

Reading these threads on twitter is like listening to a friend having a bad mdma trip replaying his whole emotional life to you in a semi incoherent diarrhea like stream of thoughts Please write a book, or at the very least an article... posting on twitter is like writing something on a piece of paper, showing it to your best friend and worst enemy before throwing it in the trash

You do sound a bit like my dad complaining about youngsters reading kindle. I read long twitter threads often, you get used to it

I’ve heard you get used to jail too.

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

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Post by gort19 »

boredhedgehog wrote: post #185
atchoo wrote: post #76

I think you have to be quite credulous to engage in this topic of "twitter moderation" as if it's in good faith. It's not about about creating a good experience for users, constructive debate or even money. It's ALL about political influence. > Iʻm heartened to know that @DavidSacks is involved. I'm not. I doubt he is there because Twitter is like Zenefits, it's because his preoccupation over the last few years has b…

You are showcasing exactly the behavior he blames for the degeneration of dialogue: take any kind of question and turn it into a political us vs them.

Isn’t that what Sacks is doing when he talks about the ‘entitled elite’ being ‘mad’?

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

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Post by 10000truths »

sangnoir wrote: post #183
dimva wrote: post #100

His argument makes no sense. If this is indeed why they are banning people, why keep the reasoning a secret? Honestly, every ban should come with a public explanation from the network, in order to deter similar behavior. The way things are right now, it's unclear if, when, and for what reason someone will be banned. People get banned all the time with little explanation or explanations that make no sense or are incon…

> Honestly, every ban should come with a public explanation from the network, in order to deter similar behavior This only works on non-adversarial systems. Anywhere else, it will be like handing over to bad actors (i.e. people whose interests will never align with operator's) a list of blindspots

Imagine for a moment what would happen if this rationale were extended to the criminal justice system. Due process is sanctified in law for a good reason. Incontestable assumptions of adversarial intent are the slow but sure path to the degradation of any community.

There will always be blind spots and malicious actors, no matter how you structure your policies on content moderation. Maintaining a thriving and productive community requires active, human effort. Automated systems can be used to counteract automated abuses, but at the end of the day, you need human discretion/judgement to fill those blind spots, adjust moderation policies, proactively identify troublemakers, and keep an eye on people toeing the line.

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

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Post by pwinnski »

PM_me_your_math wrote: post #30
madeofpalk wrote: post #17

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To be honest, I would not disagree with that. Very 'the only winning move is not to play'.

To be honest, and maybe this will be panned, but the real answer is for people to grow thicker skin and stop putting one's feelings on a pedestal above all.

When I make comments about other people, they need to grow thicker skin.

When other people attack me personally, it's a deep and dangerous violation of social norms.

Re: Ex-Reddit CEO on Twitter moderation

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Post by bitshiftfaced »

pjc50 wrote: post #157
lm28469 wrote: post #11

Reading these threads on twitter is like listening to a friend having a bad mdma trip replaying his whole emotional life to you in a semi incoherent diarrhea like stream of thoughts Please write a book, or at the very least an article... posting on twitter is like writing something on a piece of paper, showing it to your best friend and worst enemy before throwing it in the trash

The core is really: > https://twitter.com/yishan/status/1586956650455265281 "Hereʻs the answer everyone knows: there IS no principled reason for banning spam. We ban spam for purely outcome-based reasons: It affects the quality of experience for users we care about, and users having a good time on the platform makes it successful." And also this Chinese Room argument: "once again, I challenge you to think about it th…

I would argue that the signal-to-noise ratio outcome-based reason is the principle: it's off-topic. You could also argue another principle: you're censoring a bot, not a human.
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