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I dont really care if George RR Martin ever finishes Winds of Winter. But I will be immensely disappointed if Robert Caro dies before finishing the last LBJ book. He already somehow wrote 3,000+ pages in 40 years and hasn't even reached LBJ's passage of Medicare, Civil Rights, and Vietnam. He's 87 but still working on it apparently.
What inspires a person to dedicate their lives to such an intricate biography of someone else?
Yeah, I agree that it is important to take into account disadvantages that people may have unfairly experienced due to no fault of their own. But, why do we need to use race as a proxy? Presuming something about someone based on their skin color is prejudice regardless of your intentions. If people are disadvantaged, let's measure those disadvantages directly and adjust for those factors.
> But, why do we need to use race as a proxy? Because historically race was used systemically to limit opportunities for people of color. The last school to be desegregated was in 1963. Think about that.
that people will stop using one variable for such a complex, full of entrophy processes?
How do you determine the class of student being admitted?
Many people have given answers to this very good question. But I'm going to ask another: WHY does the admission process need to take into account the social class of the student? - Fairness? College admissions at Ivy Leagues are not a fair process. It advantages legacies, donors. - Diversity? Then why not also account for race or national origin too? - An attempt to fix the inequities of US society? Why do this at th…
Having PhDs that are presidents seems like a great indicator that the democratic system is not corrupt.
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We agree on the big picture but not the details. Instead of race, why not look at economic position? I think the white family living in poverty in rural Appalachia is probably more deserving of AA than the middle-class Black family in Atlanta today. If there's a kid with a lower GPA/SAT than my son, but he's worked throughout HS, didn't have the same resources we have, he deserves acknowledgement and assistance. Coll…
I don't think you are seeing the historical context. Race is very much a part of it. America had to overcome slavery, redlining, Jim Crow, etc... These were based on race, not economic position. Affirmative action is an attempt to rectify the long standing American issues of discrimination based on race and other attributes (sex, color, etc...). Economic position or being at an economic disadvantage is a different ar…
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>GP came here with a stem degree worth millions of dollars Degree helps you at the beginning of the career After you have exp and knowledge It becomes less and less relevant It is impossible to predict value of degree Just like the value of connections
> It is impossible to predict value of degree Surely a stem degree and an opportunity to get a post graduate stem degree in a blazing hot tech market is worth more than $30. Do you really think GP and a venezuelan asylee have same amount of privilege because they both came over with $30 in their pockets. Yet that was the logic GP used to justify his lack of privilege.
You guys over there seem to be treating degree like the only way to better life
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Compare also Irish people? Of course, in eg Poland it's even more complicated.
There are many parallels around the globe but the point is that there is a lot of nuance to consider if AA is to be effective at what I think was the original intention was: to increase equity among those marginalized for the sake of creating a system most closely resembling a meritocracy.
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> Is it fair to penalize my son for working hard and being an excellent student? No its not fair which is why its controversial. The real problem is that famous schools are too prestigious right now and there aren't enough of them. Perhaps over time the newer schools who accept all the smart, hardworking students will become recognized for having the best grads.
At this point, I don't think much of famous schools, and might even find them a -minus- on hiring criterion. I'd be much more likely to hire someone from a tier-2 school who doesn't have any of the negative baggage — the wealth and "connections" are kind of a big risk factor to my mind.
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Of course it's the truth. Success does not just fall into anyone's lap, save a very few minority of cases that get trumpeted as-if they're normal. There are no shortcuts. Hard work and persistence are what is required to be successful in this country - full stop. And hard work doesn't mean you sweat more... There is no system or mechanism in America that prevents a poor child from growing up into one of the nation's…
This doesn't prove anything, you're just telling me the same story in a different way with a dollop of "if you're not rich it's because you're lazy". > There is no system or mechanism in America that prevents a poor child from growing up into one of the nation's wealthiest or most powerful. How is that different from most other western countries?
Indian-American father here, living in the Bay Area. My wife and I came to this country with a few hundred dollars between us and have worked hard to reach where we’re at. We're far from privileged. I am 100% against affirmative action on the basis of race. I think there should be some measure of AA on the basis of economic status. It's quite personal for me this year. My 17-year old is applying to universities to st…
Indian-American father here as well.
You came to the US from India. You are probably upper caste. You almost certainly got a good quality education in India for cheap. Your parents probably had servants.
You are privileged.
End of story.
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Is that point obvious? Perhaps the point is taking race completely out of the equation is going to descimatr Native American Latino and black attendance at Harvard. ~11% of white students will be be replaced by Asian students but the population will remain overwhelmingly white. I think the ~1300 Asian students that didn’t get into Harvard from 2010-2015 that scored above white students that were admitted really suffe…
> I think the ~1300 Asian students that didn’t get into Harvard from 2010-2015 that scored above white students that were admitted really suffered as a result of Harvards policies. Grades and test scores are not the primary determination for admissions at elite schools. They say as much on their admissions web sites. I have no idea why some people continue to believe and repeat that grades and tests scores are the ke…
Everyone believes this. The people who disagree with you disagree on the reason. They think it’s mostly racism. You think Asians are in some way on average inferior in a way that’s obvious to admissions staff but not to alumni interviewers.