American society is so focused on race that it is blind to class

Post by yunwal » Thu, Nov 03, 2022, 3:29 AM UTC

eru wrote: post #333

gryBrd1987 wrote: post #229

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Race wars have been used to obfuscate a class war. Historically minorities were prevented from being capital owners and as that changed aristocrats appealed to skin color while also routinely sweeping the legs out from under poor whites as they still do today, after enraging them stupid shit like tan suits and public protests. Thanks to inflation, moving one or two income brackets is closer to staying in the same pla…

> Historically minorities were prevented from being capital owners [...] That overlooks the elephant in the room: land ownership.

Post by barelysapient » Thu, Nov 03, 2022, 3:29 AM UTC

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #426

barelysapient wrote: post #385

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Huh. I guess your attitude isn't shared by the two plus million people a year, who literally risk life and limb crossing our boarders, for a shot at being an undocumented alien.

So by thus argument we have nothing to improve in this country untill standards of living sink to the level of North Korea and finally noone will be willing to immigrate

Post by danenania » Thu, Nov 03, 2022, 3:30 AM UTC

cycomanic wrote: post #365

danenania wrote: post #46

Class can be a big part of racism--often what appears to be racism is really more about class. There are many people who look down on anyone they perceive to be "low class", regardless of race, and who will accept people of other races if they perceive them to be "high class". In areas where the lower classes are over-represented by racial minorities, this can look like racism, when classism is much more the culprit.

That misses how even being rich does not protect you from significant racism. Just look at the well documeted experiences comparing a white or black person driving an expensive car. The black person is multiple times more likely to get stopped by police.

Post by zeroonetwothree » Thu, Nov 03, 2022, 3:32 AM UTC

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> Realistically, however, it is rare to move more than one or two income brackets from where your parents were when they were your age. You state that like it's a bad thing. If you can bump a bracket or two per generation, 2 generations can take you from near-penniless to upper-middle class.

But the stats seem to show that it's substantially less common in the US than in a bunch of other developed countries, including countries that literally still have monarchs. A "Global Social Mobility Index" doesn't even put the US in the top 20. It looks like if you consider fathers in the bottom income quintile in Sweden and the US, the Swedish father's son is roughly 75% more likely to make it to the top quintile…

Post by Vecr » Thu, Nov 03, 2022, 3:35 AM UTC

imgabe wrote: post #434

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Not in STEM departments, no. Why would you run a pro-male affirmative action programme in a department where men were already over-represented? But there's affirmative action for men in nursing, teaching, social studies, and similar female-dominated departments. There are active campaigns to recruit more male nurses - and male teachers are more likely to be promoted. I also know first-hand that vocational ballet scho…

Isn't the goal of a nursing school to provide the best possible nurses to the healthcare industry? If we assume that: Whatever merit based metrics the school uses to determine admission are predictive of eventual performance and that men are admitted with lower performance on these metrics than some women Then removing the affirmative action should result in the school graduating nurses who perform better, right? Why…