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As last module docks, China completes its space station

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Re: As last module docks, China completes its space station

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Post by thaumasiotes »

toyg wrote: post #302
dr_dshiv wrote: post #291

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“The mighty sequoia, protected by thick bark and with its foliage typically high above the flames, was once considered nearly inflammable.” — Brian Melley, Anchorage Daily News, 23 July 2022

Brian Melley needs to be acquainted with the word nonflammable , which is the one he really wanted to use.

There's no need to use a single word; that sentence is trying to sound impressive, not concise.

Try "The mighty sequoia, protected by thick bark and with its foliage typically high above the flames, was once considered nearly impervious to fire."

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Post by nordsieck »

zmaurelius wrote: post #370
bayesian_horse wrote: post #363

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Much of the countryside is still doing subsistence agriculture, for one thing. "Catching up" means China is growing faster than the west, both in economy and technological know-how. But at present China is only marginally out-growing the West, even using the CCP numbers.

Ultimately it comes down to a numbers game which we can roughly estimate by looking at the number of STEM graduates generated by each country assuming the research output of each individual is roughly equivalent. The US does have the advantage in that high performing individuals on the level of Einstein have a higher chance of emerging due to much more personal freedom and social mobility, but that is difficult to ac…

> Ultimately it comes down to a numbers game which we can roughly estimate by looking at the number of STEM graduates generated by each country assuming the research output of each individual is roughly equivalent.

Why do you think that's a reasonable assumption to make?

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Post by zokier »

carabiner wrote: post #246
zokier wrote: post #120

The frustrating aspect for me about CNSA is how little PR they do, at least towards west although I don't think even inside China they are giving that much extra info on the missions and their progress. Just compare the media spectacle around e.g. Perseverance rover wrt Tianwen-1. Sure NASA has more material to work with but still we are getting frequent mission updates and almost daily new pics to ogle; meanwhile th…

Western media cherry picks negative stuff about China. Or they add their favorite caveat, "Experts say there could be military applications to China's ambitions." Ya, just like every fucking tech advancement in the US?

That is very cheap take. Just look at e.g. CNSAs own web page: http://www.cnsa.gov.cn/english/index.html or the main producer for space systems: http://english.spacechina.com/

Compare and contrast any content on there to what NASA is providing on e.g. Perseverances mission page: https://mars.nasa.gov/mars2020/

I can't even find homepages for Tianwen-1 / Zhurong. That is hardly because "media is cherry-picking negative stuff".

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Post by IshKebab »

lovich wrote: post #361
IshKebab wrote: post #344

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That only means "to split". I don't think it can mean "to join together" can it? Unless you mean "cleave to" which is rare and not really the same word.

Cleave can definitely mean to adhere to. Its not a word I hear everyday but I wouldnt necessarily call it rare

If I say "I cleaved a log" there is no chance of you thinking I meant "I cleaved to a log".

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Post by zmaurelius »

nordsieck wrote: post #372
zmaurelius wrote: post #370

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ultimately it comes down to a numbers game which we can roughly estimate by looking at the number of STEM graduates generated by each country assuming the research output of each individual is roughly equivalent. The US does have the advantage in that high performing individuals on the level of Einstein have a higher chance of emerging due to much more personal freedom and social mobility, but that is difficult to ac…

> Ultimately it comes down to a numbers game which we can roughly estimate by looking at the number of STEM graduates generated by each country assuming the research output of each individual is roughly equivalent. Why do you think that's a reasonable assumption to make?

Upon closer examination, it may not be. There is some force multiplier there that I am not accounting for and cannot because there isn't really a good unit of measurement for technological progress or research speed. What seems intuitively obvious is that a country with zero STEM graduates isn't making much headway in research unless they recruit immigrants, so there should be some correlation with the number of STEM graduates and speed of technological advancement.

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Post by millhouse_ams »

homeland221 wrote: post #218
bestouff wrote: post #144

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Yeah, because they are only this advanced because they stole US technology. Chinese people can't be as intelligent as american.

You got this very wrong. Read up Art of War written before Jesus. Espionage is a very important chapter. Americans are rather weak academic these days. You go to any American university and see how many "Asians" there. You will find a lot of Chinese. It is common for Americans not able to speak English well or just English. It is very uncommon not to find Chinese that can read and write Chinese AND English. There are…

The CCP couldn’t have said it better themselves

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Post by LargoLasskhyfv »

bayesian_horse wrote: post #366
LargoLasskhyfv wrote: post #322

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-speed_rail_in_China Edit: Some more propaganda https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o96yCGqCHFg <- Will be interesting in a few years, I guess.

Have you ever heard of the Transrapid? That was a technology that already worked decades ago, but hasn't been put into widespread use for various reasons. China has already overbuilt its highspeed rail system. China really doesn't need another solution for a problem it doesn't have.

Yes I have :-) I'm German and once lived near one proposed track, meant as an upgrade to an already existing, heavily used main track, planned with many stops over short distances.

Edit: Maybe they could use this to overbuild their already existing net with a dozen to two dozen strategically located stations, as an overlay of hyperhubs, and use the interconnections to conventional HSR as spokes which branch off of these.

To make it even more competitive to air travel, especially for longer distances.

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Post by lovich »

IshKebab wrote: post #374
lovich wrote: post #361

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cleave can definitely mean to adhere to. Its not a word I hear everyday but I wouldnt necessarily call it rare

If I say "I cleaved a log" there is no chance of you thinking I meant "I cleaved to a log".

And if I say I cleaved the halves together, you’d have no chance of thinking that I meant I cut them apart. It’s English, you need context to tell what definition is being used for any word with multiple definitions

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Post by femto »

torginus wrote: post #346
femto wrote: post #200

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> probably so we dont see how fast they are progressing. The problem is we don't know either way. They could be super advanced, or it could be that they are covering up shortcomings. It feeds into the bigger question of: why do this stuff? If it is to advance human knowledge the results should be shared. It the results aren't being shared it's an exercise in nationalism with limited significance. A similar situation…

What does it mean to 'share knowledge'? Can I get a schematic for an US-based rocket turbopump? Or the schematics of a spacecraft telemetry module? Even if most of the stuff didn't wasn't sensitive in the national security sense, it would still constitute the IP of the companies who developed it.

I mean this:

"F-1 ENGINE FAMILIARIZATION TRAINING MANUAL" by Rocketdyne

https://www.pdf-archive.com/2016/10/21/rocketdyne-f1-engine-...

NASA Technical Reports Server - Telemetry (23103 documents)

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/search?q=telemetry

NASA Technical Reports Server - Turbo Pump (2800 documents)

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/search?q=turbo%20pump

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Post by femto »

femto wrote: post #379
torginus wrote: post #346

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does it mean to 'share knowledge'? Can I get a schematic for an US-based rocket turbopump? Or the schematics of a spacecraft telemetry module? Even if most of the stuff didn't wasn't sensitive in the national security sense, it would still constitute the IP of the companies who developed it.

I mean this: "F-1 ENGINE FAMILIARIZATION TRAINING MANUAL" by Rocketdyne https://www.pdf-archive.com/2016/10/21/rocketdyne-f1-engine-... NASA Technical Reports Server - Telemetry (23103 documents) https://ntrs.nasa.gov/search?q=telemetry NASA Technical Reports Server - Turbo Pump (2800 documents) https://ntrs.nasa.gov/search?q=turbo%20pump

As an aside, the F-1 manual includes the asbestos [1]! See the image on page 1-44.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33320294

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