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Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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Post by pmontra »

jbigelow76 wrote: post #415

Can someone please explain what happened. I've seen the video a few times now, so I saw what happened but I am completely ignorant of either regs or etiquettes that allowed it to happen. It's a race right? I would assume grinding your car up against a wall would slow it down somewhat. Why were all the cars in the lower part of the screen going so much slower in a still live race that something like what happened coul…

The cars inside are going as fast as they can, with only the grip of their tires keeping them in the race line. The car along the wall can go much faster, as fast as it engine can push it because the wall keeps the car in the track. The grip of the tires is not the limit anymore.

Unfortunately the wall also destroys the car so this is a trick that can't be done more than once per race. If they don't agree not to do it again everybody will have to race like that on the last lap of those short tracks, to defend from the drivers behind. The costs for the car and maybe for the track (restoring the walls?) will be substantial. Check the pictures of the right side of the #1 car.

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Post by Shocka1 »

sokoloff wrote: post #396
Shocka1 wrote: post #393

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Sure, but a driver isn't blocking the guys right behind them. Someone isn't going to win the race from 10 cars back, but anyone three seconds behind the leader can pull it off. From what I saw, a driver would easily be able to pass the driver one to three cars in front. So blocking the outside on exit might work for the guy coming from 5 to 10 spots back, but the leader will lose every time to the guys directly behin…

> What's stopping every car in the top 10 from going around the outside bouncing off the wall, especially when there is money on the line? Nothing at all. Everyone will end up doing it on the last half lap at short tracks and no one will have an advantage, lots of cars will get torn up, and owners will ask NASCAR to stop making them tear up a $250K racecar every short track race.

Yep, you are spot on there.

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Post by ubermonkey »

jefftk wrote: post #56

Reminds me of another example of video-game inspired tactics: Just before he reached the end zone, with 17 seconds remaining, Stokley cut right at 90 degrees and ran across the field. Six seconds drained off the clock before, at last, he meandered across the goal line to score the winning touchdown. For certain football fans, the excitement of a last-minute comeback now commingled with the shock of the familiar: It's…

I had this exact thought when I read the headline.

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Post by nkrisc »

TulliusCicero wrote: post #70
jefftk wrote: post #56

Reminds me of another example of video-game inspired tactics: Just before he reached the end zone, with 17 seconds remaining, Stokley cut right at 90 degrees and ran across the field. Six seconds drained off the clock before, at last, he meandered across the goal line to score the winning touchdown. For certain football fans, the excitement of a last-minute comeback now commingled with the shock of the familiar: It's…

This is really interesting. The incentive to pull off this kind of move, running the clock down a bit, that was already present. But there's a certain social expectation that you won't game the rules so blatantly, so that's a disincentive. What the existence of video games does, is allow people to do things like this in an environment where social expectations and pressure don't really exist. It's like a psychologica…

> But there's a certain social expectation that you won't game the rules so blatantly, so that's a disincentive.

I’ve watched the QB take a knee hundreds of times to run down the clock. The difference here is his play was riskier because it would have been easier to lose possession.

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Post by Infernal »

mnd999 wrote: post #248
discardedrefuse wrote: post #104

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> The incentive to pull off this kind of move, running the clock down a bit, that was already present. But there's a certain social expectation that you won't game the rules so blatantly, so that's a disincentive. Clock management is a pretty big aspect of (American) football strategy and very much expected. I don't think anyone considers it gaming the rules. Just off the top of my head: - Teams with comfortable lead…

Even victory formation, this is an ultra cautious time waste. It’s also a thing in association football (soccer). Teams are praised for passing the ball around aimlessly denying the opposition possession to defend a lead. It’s boring to watch, unless it’s your team.

Maybe the most interesting end-of-game play that would've been influenced by the existence of a "victory formation" strategy https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/11/14/miracle-meadowlands-40th-a...

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Post by Infernal »

BadOakOx wrote: post #266
daguava wrote: post #81

This is one of those events that I'm of several minds about: 1) This is what keeps people outside the scene interested and taking note - NASCAR absolutely should publicize and play up this moment, it brings a lot of folks to the sport. It was incredibly awesome. 2) A lot of times something like this is how you form some new regulations - it's truly one of those "You know, this was excellent but we can't do it again"…

> 2) A lot of times something like this is how you form some new regulations - it's truly one of those "You know, this was excellent but we can't do it again" situations. I don't watch Nascar, but as from comments from other places, there is nothing new with it. It has been known and attempted by others now and then [1]. It is a high risk high reward move and this time it turned out good. If it wasn't regulated so fa…

Coincidentally, Denny Hamlin was the target of the move both this past weekend and in the linked article above.

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Post by bad416f1f5a2 »

bitwize wrote: post #414
jstanley wrote: post #322

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> in American football, failing to take the ball past a "first down" marker in five downs results in a turnover Thanks for clarifying.

American football players are often stereotyped as big and dumb but... football is complicated . Often needlessly so. It takes extensive knowledge of the rules of the game in order just to figure out what's going on.

My favorite example:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K3EpLn77JdQ

In this case, the rules say that if a kickoff is handled first by a player who has established themselves as out of bounds, a penalty is assessed and the ball moved to the 40 yard line. The intent is for a horribly miskicked ball to be penalized.

What you see is a special teams player knowing the rule, carefully and clearly establishing himself as out of bounds, and turning an excellently kicked ball at the one yard line into a ball 39 yards down field.

I’ve seen the commentators confused by this play before!

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Post by Infernal »

sokoloff wrote: post #363
Shocka1 wrote: post #348

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I have some family members that are huge fans, so I follow somewhat. It should be noted with your link that Darlington is a much faster and lengthier track than Martinsville. At Darlington, Larson was very close to Hamlin when he initiated the wall ride halfway through the corner - he may have gained a half second or so, not several, like at Martinsville. I see this as more of a Richmond/Martinsville short track stra…

I think you’ll see the defensive line move up the track to block this on exit, which will open up the possibility for someone to get under the defending car, which should make the racing tactics more interesting in the last lap. This tactic will wear the car out far too much to be used on multiple laps, so it may just get race fans to experience more excitement and interest on the last lap.

I also wonder when someone who might normally qualify at the end of the field will do this in qualifying, essentially trading extra repair work on the car for a spot at the front of the field.

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Post by Infernal »

sokoloff wrote: post #366
arwineap wrote: post #358

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You're thinking of Smokey Yunick, and that's just a taste of his antics Check out the "reverse torque special" where he reversed the direction of his engine, so the tq pull would naturally turn him in the correct direction for nascar Or when he modified the roof and raised the floor to get a more aerodynamic car Or when he qualified with wheel covers, and cut them out before the race ( rules didn't stipulate you had…

Or placed an inflated basketball in the fuel tank when it was going to be measured for capacity, only to deflate the basketball for the race. Or load the car with cold (more dense) fuel. Or (allegedly) race a 15/16ths scale car with a matching 15/16ths scale street car strategically parked in the track parking lot so the scrutineers could compare against a stock car and see that it matched. Or built a race engine wit…

> Or load the car with cold (more dense) fuel.

This is why F1 specifies fuel capacities and flow rates in kilograms.

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Post by wingerlang »

wnoise wrote: post #403
wingerlang wrote: post #222

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Person eats (food) in order to be full. Driver stuns (everyone) in order to quality. It makes sense to me.

But they don't stun in order to qualify. They stun while qualifying, or drive well, which both stuns and qualifies.

They did stun in order to qualify. Regardless of wether that was a side effect from what they REALLY did (driving well).
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