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Shanghai Disney shuts: Visitors unable to leave without negative Covid test

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Also, Apple: Chinese workers flee Covid lockdown at iPhone factory https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-63447755 . Elsewhere in India, Apple is up its game. India's Tata to add Up to 45,000 woman workers at iPhone parts plant to deal with the shortage of parts created by zero lockdown policy https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-01/india-s-t... . More and more stuff is moving to other parts of Asia. So…

> washing hands I always thought the pandemic will make fist bumps or other forms of greetings “mainstream”. But everyone (I know) have reverted back to hand shakes. I guessing the same with Covid hygiene measures. > get the vaccine without turning into political drama all over Twitter. Like the majority of the people not taking the vaccine are on Twitter or do so because of social media drama.

The risk from handshakes (or other surfaces) is considered pretty low: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/more/science-and-r...

Of course the risk-averse would not be satisfied with "pretty low risk" and can still refuse handshakes. I remember reading that for someone to give you Covid through a handshake, they'd have to cough into their hand, shake your hand, and you'd have to put your hand close to your mouth/nose soon after that.

The Chinese government were reporting virus samples found on surfaces after 3 days, but these were tiny samples, tiny viral loads won't harm us.

Indoor masking is also not 100%, you can't smell Covid but you can smell cigarette smoke, I think an appropriate analogy is, if someone's been exhaling their cigarette-smoke-laden breath into a room for 30 minutes, and you walked into that room, would you smell the cigarette? Even with a Covid mask?

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COVID has taught me a lot about the cultural differences between the west and China. A friend of mine worked in China for many years, but after several months of being locked in their apartment block and tested every 72 hours they chose to leave China. I honestly couldn't imagine people in the West putting up with that, however I'm yet to fully understand why Chinese people continue to suffer the rules without riot.

Two years ago, I would have thought people here in Québec wouldn't put up with 7pm curfews and vaccination passes to access walmart, yet they did, and they even cheered for it. So I would be cautious about assuming an intrinsic difference in how resistant/tolerant we are to authoritarian hysteria.

The government here even outwardly admitted that there was no scientific proof or support for curfews, and yet nothing happened, and they just got re-elected a month ago with a crushing majority.

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Struggling to understand China’s endgame here. Assuming they achieve zero covid, surely they will be left with a population that is still vulnerable to covid, while the rest of the world (which has largely stopped caring) will have developed immunity the hard way, and therefore China must maintain permanent quarantine/isolation to avoid reintroducing the virus?

The Chinese government does not care about its people catching covid. It is not about covid but about clamping down. It's a training exercise for what to do during rebellion.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A couple of reasons. First, the strict measures were popular and people demanded them. It's been a while since I've spoken with people in China so I'm not sure how much this is still the case, but it was definitely true up to last year. Second, the measures allowed most people to move relatively freely and go to discos when we still had blanket lockdowns in the west. The idea was to crackdown hard and quickly create…

“Third, COVID is special as it is one of the few airborne / aerosol-transmitted diseases that you have a good chanche of suppressing.” The fatal flaw of this reasoning is that it lies dormant in animals.

Zoonotic spillovers are rare, this is why you probably never heard about corona viruses before 2002/2003 (SARS). The probability is increasing of course because we are detroying animals' habitats. And because we live in a densely interconnected world but can't agree on how to control diseases. We can either work on those problems, or throw the hands up in the air and blame the bats.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A couple of reasons. First, the strict measures were popular and people demanded them. It's been a while since I've spoken with people in China so I'm not sure how much this is still the case, but it was definitely true up to last year. Second, the measures allowed most people to move relatively freely and go to discos when we still had blanket lockdowns in the west. The idea was to crackdown hard and quickly create…

Could it also be the vaccines that were administered in China being less effective? If I recall people were hesitant to get the ones they developed and they at some point admitted that the initial ones had too low of an efficacy. So it'd make sense (for the gov) to fall back to lockdowns, maybe?

Definitely. Unfortunately vaccination is political everywhere and there are also profit interests, so they can't just use the "better" vaccines.

With the mRNA vaccines and the weaker virus variants, we averted a lot of deaths and the "collapse" of the hospitals in many places. But we are still dealing with many dead, millions of work days lost per year, and many cases of long covid...

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Do they at least get free rides during quarantine?

They do!

> However, those awaiting their freedom at Shanghai Disney can console themselves with one positive: rides are continuing to operate for those trapped inside The Happiest Place on Earth.

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Struggling to understand China’s endgame here. Assuming they achieve zero covid, surely they will be left with a population that is still vulnerable to covid, while the rest of the world (which has largely stopped caring) will have developed immunity the hard way, and therefore China must maintain permanent quarantine/isolation to avoid reintroducing the virus?

> therefore China must maintain permanent quarantine/isolation

And how is that bad for Chinese gov? That's exactly what the gov wants - total control over peoples lives, over crossborder flow, but the main reason are health codes allowing total control over population. XJP literally wants his China be NoKo 2.0, COVID was just extremely good excuse, if COVID leaked from Chinese lab I would not be suprised if this was the their goal - introducing COVID zero strategy to have control over whole population under pretense of fighting the virus.

Meanwhile my family can't really come to visit abroad (and they are the lucky ones having passports, good lucking getting new passports and being allowed to travel abroad for pleasure), we could in theory visit China but it's too troublesome and risky under these conditions.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some regions closed schools for a while, i wouldn't call that not following lockdown strategy.

That is flattening the curve, not imprisoning people in their own home for the well being of a wealthy dictator.

Not at all flattening the curve, Taiwan had a clear zero COVID strategy.
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