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As last module docks, China completes its space station

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Re: As last module docks, China completes its space station

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Post by ChemSpider »

adrian_b wrote: post #250
jonnybgood wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a little more nuanced than being a traitor to science given China's strategy in regards to acquisition of scientific research and technology. China doesn't collaborate, it just takes until it reaches scientific and technological parity. Once parity is reached, China cuts collaboration agreements and keeps further advancements within China.

It would be interesting to see some concrete examples of what is claimed in "Once parity is reached, China cuts collaboration agreements and keeps further advancements within China." Whenever I search recent research articles about any topic, I see a very large number that are published by China, and which are freely available. The quality of the Chinese research is quite uneven, there are many papers that are just g…

Just one of many examples: The WIV BSL-4 lab in Wuhan was built as a French-Chinese cooperation (modeled after a similar lab in Lyon, France) with the explicit goal to do joint experiments. But once it was built, the French were kicked out.

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Post by toyg »

dr_dshiv wrote: post #291
thaumasiotes wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not an autoantonym; that word only has one meaning. Its problem is that it appears to mean the opposite of what it means, not that it has two contradictory meanings.

“The mighty sequoia, protected by thick bark and with its foliage typically high above the flames, was once considered nearly inflammable.” — Brian Melley, Anchorage Daily News, 23 July 2022

Brian Melley needs to be acquainted with the word nonflammable, which is the one he really wanted to use.

Re: As last module docks, China completes its space station

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Post by toyg »

mehrdada wrote: post #252
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #198

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Ah, so the chaos and lack of documentation in my company is really protection against chinese spies! Clever! On a more serious note, I find it quite unfair that Western conoany go into China to take advantage of loose labour laws and child labour, and then they complain when loose IP laws hit them. Like you knew what the deal was from the outset. Lastly not every society believes in the concept of intellectual proper…

You just took one angle. I find it unfair that Facebook is banned by China while China can deploy TikTok in the US market, for example, to demonstrate the opposite.

It's not the opposite, it's the same problem: globally dis-harmonised legal systems.

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Post by jillesvangurp »

yrgulation wrote: post #189
zokier wrote: post #120

The frustrating aspect for me about CNSA is how little PR they do, at least towards west although I don't think even inside China they are giving that much extra info on the missions and their progress. Just compare the media spectacle around e.g. Perseverance rover wrt Tianwen-1. Sure NASA has more material to work with but still we are getting frequent mission updates and almost daily new pics to ogle; meanwhile th…

I’ve noticed that a lot of news about china’s progress is censored, probably so we dont see how fast they are progressing.

It's not so much that this is censored but merely that the reporting on this is very selective/biased. Most news is simply interest driven. Also, the Chinese don't really seem to particularly care how the rest of the world feels about what they do in space.

People like Scott Manly and a few others report on rocket launches around the world regularly on Youtube. The last few years China has really stepped up the number of launches. They are at this point not dependent on other countries to get stuff into orbit; or anywhere else in our solar system.

I'd not be surprised if the next person on the Moon would be launched there from China. They have multiple unmanned lunar missions coming up in the next few years and several successful missions in the past few years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Lunar_Exploration_Prog...

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Post by nirimda »

omginternets wrote: post #298
dr_dshiv wrote: post #291

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“The mighty sequoia, protected by thick bark and with its foliage typically high above the flames, was once considered nearly inflammable.” — Brian Melley, Anchorage Daily News, 23 July 2022

That’s just misuse of the word.

Sure but by now every rational and reasonable reader must understand that whenever they come across the word "inflammable", the author might have misused it and they need to search for additional signals to identify whether it means "inflammable" or "uninflammable". This is not different than how the rational and reasonable reader treats the use of an autoantonym.

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Post by Gordonjcp »

russli1993 wrote: post #112
diskzero wrote: post #34

Does anyone know to what extent China has advanced the state of the Soviet technology that they have (I assume) licensed? I have been to the Russian Star City training facility, Baikonur Cosmodrome and been in the full-size Mir training module and the Chinese station components look very similar. I am sure getting good information is difficult, but perhaps someone here has some more info.

Some of the features I know from the Chinese space station - Solar panels smaller in area than ISS but produces similar amount of power, indicating much more efficient solar panels - Ion thrusters to keep space in orbit - Automated docking of cargo and crew capsule. Semi-automated docking of large station components like the 23ton labs - A robotic arm similar to ISS that walk along the joint points on the station. It…

> telescope can dock with the station for servicing and upgrades,

"Quick, wind it back in, I need to change the SD card!"

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Post by Gordonjcp »

jorgesborges wrote: post #4

Last week I stood outside my apartment and watched Tiangong fly across the sky[0]. What an incredible time to be alive. [0] https://james.darpinian.com/satellites/

It's a shame it's so far south! The ISS is in a far more inclined orbit. Tiangong isn't really much above the horizon for anywhere north of about 42°N.

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Post by m0llusk »

MichaelMoser123 wrote: post #226

Now that could be the only space station, if the ISS gets decommissioned by 2031. https://www.skyatnightmagazine.com/space-missions/internatio...

The current economic implosion in China also brings the future of this station into question. One of Xi's biggest dreams for the future was his vision of the Xiong'An new city which has recently been abandoned after being only partially constructed. Big projects get shelved in hard times.

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Post by bigcat12345678 »

ChemSpider wrote: post #300
FooBarWidget wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Once parity is reached, China cuts collaboration agreements and keeps further advancements within China I'd like to see sources backing up this claim. Huawei for example has 5G patents and research centers outside China. Hualong-1 nuclear plants are exported abroad. Seeing that China is big on business and making money, it makes no sense to keep technology for yourself. There's so much money to be made by selling t…

Just one of many examples: The WIV BSL-4 lab in Wuhan was built as a French-Chinese cooperation (modeled after a similar lab in Lyon, France) with the explicit goal to do joint experiments. But once it was built, the French were kicked out.

Sources？

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Post by Kukumber »

petesergeant wrote: post #245
Kukumber wrote: post #227

we'll wave from earth as they build their moon space station our earth shapers, builders of history, failed miserably congrats China, that's how you recognize a great civilization

Americans plan to have humans on the moon again before China does. Artemis: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemis_program vs Chang’e: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Lunar_Exploration_Pr...

Artemis, the one that failed to launch recently?

EU about to give up Ariane to focus on SpaceX [1]

Isn't that a confession of failure, lack of confidence?

I suspect the US asked them to help them fund their missions

https://phys.org/news/2022-10-european-space-agency-missions...

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