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Twitter staff have been told to work 84-hour weeks

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Re: Twitter staff have been told to work 84-hour weeks

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He's always pushing his population collapse agenda and urging people to have children... Guess it's all about having them, not raising them.

Well he wants the state to raise them so they can be trained into thinking all there is to life is pleasing a boss, while being farmed in crowded offices and not owning anything.

Re: Twitter staff have been told to work 84-hour weeks

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Does America not have the concept of constructive dismissal?

It does! Generally if you quit you can't collect unemployment insurance, but if your boss places unreasonable expectations on you or creates a hostile work environment you can argue it was constructive dismissal and collect unemployment even if you quit. The current Twitter situation is ripe for such claims.

Criteria from Wikipedia: "The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission has provided a 3-part test to determine whether or not a constructive discharge has occurred: (1) a reasonable person in the complainant's position would have found the working conditions intolerable; (2) conduct that constituted discrimination against the complainant created the intolerable working conditions; and (3) the complainant's involuntary resignation resulted from the intolerable working conditions"

Re: Twitter staff have been told to work 84-hour weeks

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post #7

Does America not have the concept of constructive dismissal?

Yes, America has a concept of constructive dismissal. If an employer drastically changes the employee's working conditions or assignments and the employee then resigns, they might still be able to claim unemployment insurance as if they had been laid off. Authorities look at several criteria when making that determination but it's kind of a judgment call depending on the facts of a particular case.

If anyone wants to know how this applies to their particular situation then they should really consult a labor attorney. You're unlikely to get completely accurate legal information here.

Re: Twitter staff have been told to work 84-hour weeks

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I think people might be missing the point here. Elon probably wants higher turnover. These are very desirable jobs. People would bend over backwards to work at Twitter. Younger, cheaper people who have strong ideas of how to fix Twitter and would actually try to push these ideas. And these seats are currently filled with older, expensive employees who like things the way they are averse to things breaking. Either tha…

>People would bend over backwards to work at Twitter.

Sure, I'd love to work in a company with the guy that couldn't really decide whether or not he wants to go through the agreement he signed, carried toilet furniture in as his first job as the CEO and then is threatening to fire huge amounts of the current employees.

I mean, what could possible go wrong?

Re: Twitter staff have been told to work 84-hour weeks

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I think people might be missing the point here. Elon probably wants higher turnover. These are very desirable jobs. People would bend over backwards to work at Twitter. Younger, cheaper people who have strong ideas of how to fix Twitter and would actually try to push these ideas. And these seats are currently filled with older, expensive employees who like things the way they are averse to things breaking. Either tha…

I don't see any problem here, those who don't want to do this are more than welcome to leave. You can fire your employer, instantly. This isn't slavery.

There are already examples of his companies: SpaceX and Tesla. People are willingly rallying behind his vision and are being compensated for that through prestige/stock/pride/whatever.

If it was a minimum wage job, I’d have issues with this. But, these employees have $300k TC and have plenty of buffer. They had 6 months of heads-up to leave.

Re: Twitter staff have been told to work 84-hour weeks

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Musk is a bully. Like any bully, he is doing this to find out who is easy to pick on, and will keep them around, while dismissing those who are willing/able to fight back. Life will continue to be miserable to those he keeps around. My advice to all engineers feeling this pressure -- start looking now . Leave as soon as possible. You are more valuable than what Musk thinks of you. Those who are in a position to do so…

Well, it’ll be interesting to assess the results in a few years.

I agree that his actions are likely to create a hostile work environment, at the same time I have no doubt Twitter will be a much more valuable business after he’s done.

These tactics are likely temporary to trigger many resignations, yes. Unlikely to the be the expectation in the long run.

Twitter has been horribly mismanaged for years, and now needs to be restructured. It was simply a vehicle to siphon ignorant investor capital to an unproductive employee base.

Tech employees at large are about to learn that they aren’t quite as special as they thought

Re: Twitter staff have been told to work 84-hour weeks

#28
Wow. IF (if!) this is true, I really hope every single Twitter employee sends Musk an email saying "fuck you" and walks out. There's just now call for treating people like this.

EDIT: let me expand this to say, it might not be as bad as it sounds if there's some massive reward (beyond just "keeping your job") tied to this or something. And I have no problem working 80+ hours a week.. I do it all the time myself. It's just that approximately every hour past 40 that I work in a week is working on my own project, not working for my employer. But that's something I choose to take on and where the potential reward if I'm successful (arguably) justifies it. It's hard to imagine any company paying a routine salary that would even come close to justifying working hours like that though, at least for me. But hey, everybody is different. So I guess I'd amend my post to say I hope almost every single Twitter employee ...

Re: Twitter staff have been told to work 84-hour weeks

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I think people might be missing the point here. Elon probably wants higher turnover. These are very desirable jobs. People would bend over backwards to work at Twitter. Younger, cheaper people who have strong ideas of how to fix Twitter and would actually try to push these ideas. And these seats are currently filled with older, expensive employees who like things the way they are averse to things breaking. Either tha…

These are very desirable jobs.

s/are/were

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