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Tell HN: The issues of Twitter are not a technical problem to solve

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Re: Tell HN: The issues of Twitter are not a technical problem to solve

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Post by firelinks »

emkemp wrote: post #177
pwinnski wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Twitter literally interrupts the normal feed with content you haven't chosen. Here, I'll load https://twitter.com to see: 1. dog pic from someone I follow 2. ad ("Promoted") 3. Steve Martin playing a banjo while dressed as a penguin (I follow him) 4. a tweet from an account I don't follow, but a friend liked it 5. a tweet from an account a friend follows, but I don't 6. a tweet from an account a friend follows, but I…

Try tweetdeck.twitter.com.

I currently use Tweetdeck and have been using it for a few years now. The experience is exactly the same.

Re: Tell HN: The issues of Twitter are not a technical problem to solve

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Post by pyronik19 »

kibwen wrote: post #182
noxer wrote: post #155

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If it isn't a crime or spam then it is in fact disagreement. There is no inherent different from calling someone a "racist" or "nazi" to calling someone a "groomer". On Twitter these "slurs" are used by different sides (bubbles) but other than that there is no difference. It might be a baseless allegation or there could be more to it but either way it is clearly an opinion and disagreeing is fine no need to prevent a…

> But whatever it was, why does it bother you? What exactly is so horrible about posting something "wrong" and deleting it? It wasn't just "wrong", it was a propaganda article designed to dismiss a right-wing terrorist attack that almost killed the husband of the third highest ranking official in the country by painting the attack as a "false flag" designed to cover up homosexual infidelity. And Musk is the richest m…

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Re: Tell HN: The issues of Twitter are not a technical problem to solve

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

SilasX wrote: post #107
legitster wrote: post #47

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> 3. Somebody I don't follow accusing another person I don't follow of being a nazi. I cannot believe how much of Twitter is exactly this.

Yep, I discovered recently that it would constantly fill my notifications queue with "someone whose posts you looked at ages ago retweeted something you don't care about" ... and would also neglect to notify me about the direct replies I was getting to my tweets. WTF?

> someone whose posts you looked at ages ago

Someone you follow, presumably?

> retweeted something you don't care about

Are you really expecting an algorithm to make a judgement call on that? Maybe that IS how Twitter is 'supposed' to work - if it is, then I'm glad that's not how it seems to be working for me!

I'm encouraged by recent talk from Musk about 'opening up the algorithm' and even the potential of configuring it. Heck, just give me a decent front-end query language and let me build my own feed - I'd probably pay for that.

Re: Tell HN: The issues of Twitter are not a technical problem to solve

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Post by fazfq »

mox1 wrote: post #66
mFixman wrote: post #62

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Discord is actually a good example: I think I got 0 notifications about groups I don't follow, so isn't as big of an incentive to aggressively smugpost as in Twitter.

Join any server remotely related to crypto or finance, the spam messages will start rolling in. I get on average about 1 a day, something about "pumps" (whatever that is)

Somewhere in options you can choose not to receive messages from strangers.

Re: Tell HN: The issues of Twitter are not a technical problem to solve

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

hbn wrote: post #81
legitster wrote: post #47

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> 3. Somebody I don't follow accusing another person I don't follow of being a nazi. I cannot believe how much of Twitter is exactly this.

Left-wing twitter is calling everyone nazis and right-wing twitter is calling everyone pedophiles. Enjoy the nuanced discussion.

This is exactly why I avoid both of those twitters! I feel bad for those engaged in either one.

Re: Tell HN: The issues of Twitter are not a technical problem to solve

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Post by quesera »

criddell wrote: post #157
colinmhayes wrote: post #119

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The issue with this is that the "garbage" posts are the ones that maximize engagement. Twitter and all the other social media sites are showing them on purpose. They're trying to maximize engagement, why would they decide to quarantine the most engaging posts?

> why would they decide to quarantine the most engaging posts? Maybe as a private company, they can start to think beyond shallow, short term metrics.

> Maybe as a private company, they can start to think beyond shallow, short term metrics.

Only if Musk operates Twitter as a public service, at a personal expense of at least $700MM/yr.

...

Elon's debt service for the purchase exceeds $1BB/yr, for an unprofitable business with $600MM of revenue.

If he cuts operating costs by 50% while maintaining revenue (not likely but possible, surely Twitter has too many people today. or last week anyway)... then he personally loses ~$700MM/yr for the privilege of owning Twitter.

Re: Tell HN: The issues of Twitter are not a technical problem to solve

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Post by razwall »

pwinnski wrote: post #110
Tenoke wrote: post #80

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Looking at my feed it's all accounts I follow (and people they retweet). No politics except for the few politics accounts I've chosen to follow. No toxicity except when I look for it. As far as I can tell people are either exaggerating their experience or bad at curating since I doubt I'm getting a special version of their product.

Twitter literally interrupts the normal feed with content you haven't chosen. Here, I'll load https://twitter.com to see: 1. dog pic from someone I follow 2. ad ("Promoted") 3. Steve Martin playing a banjo while dressed as a penguin (I follow him) 4. a tweet from an account I don't follow, but a friend liked it 5. a tweet from an account a friend follows, but I don't 6. a tweet from an account a friend follows, but I…

Sounds like you're using "Home" view. You can switch to "latest Tweets" view, which would eliminate 4, 5, 6, and 10 from your list.

Re: Tell HN: The issues of Twitter are not a technical problem to solve

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Post by freedomben »

danaris wrote: post #185
hbn wrote: post #81

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Left-wing twitter is calling everyone nazis and right-wing twitter is calling everyone pedophiles. Enjoy the nuanced discussion.

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> a significant proportion of the American right wing is, by any meaningful, objective definition, substantially aligned with the Nazi party, fully on board with authoritarian fascism, and ready and willing to murder people for opposing them.

Are you being serious or missing a /s?

Re: Tell HN: The issues of Twitter are not a technical problem to solve

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

dawnerd wrote: post #54
mFixman wrote: post #14

I used to agree with you until I created a new Twitter account from scratch. I'm not American and I specifically put non-political things in my interests. Yet, the second I signed up I got the following: 1. A notification about a smug reply a rando made to a Republican Congressman. 2. Posts from a meme page with a Pepe the frog avatar showing homeless people fighting in San Francisco. 3. Somebody I don't follow accus…

I’ve tried this the other day and besides an insanely difficult captcha that made me add up faces on dice, I had the same result as you. Overnight got spammed with low quality notifications from troll political accounts.

I wonder if there's a minimum number of accounts you need to follow to avoid that. I follow a reasonable number, but even straight after signing up, I don't think I've ever had an unsolicited notification.
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