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Tell HN: The issues of Twitter are not a technical problem to solve

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Re: Tell HN: The issues of Twitter are not a technical problem to solve

#11
All the problems you listed can be solved though. In fact, HN is a good demonstration of it. Its policy decisions have largely led to one of the last bastions on the internet that still seem sane.

The issue is how a social media product can solve the problems above and be a growing, profitable company. HN does not have a direct profit motive nor does it need to grow exponentially to satisfy investors.

Personally I don’t believe it’s possible because as long as engagement is optimized, extremity will always be preferred.

Re: Tell HN: The issues of Twitter are not a technical problem to solve

#12

Hacker News has a great community, features informative discourse, and doesn't suffer from the ailments that you list (or suffers from them much less than Twitter). Therefore we should invite all Twitter users to join our healthy community. Everybody wins. Edit: I hoped it would be obvious, but the second sentence of this comment was supposed to be sarcastic.

.. because it doesn't allow pictures, has aggressive downvotes, and a very careful moderator (dang) with the power to ban people. The problem is that dang doesn't scale.

Re: Tell HN: The issues of Twitter are not a technical problem to solve

#13
I disagree. Your points aren't necessarily wrong, but they ignore one big factor. Twitter chooses what content to promote to people.

I could use Twitter quite happily not knowing about the latest "scandal" in, say, the knitting world. But Twitter actively promotes that content to me - either with the "trending" sidebar or by showing me content that it thinks will increase my engagement.

That is a technical problem. How do you surface engaging content without also surfacing harmful / polarising / abusive content?

If a specific Tweet got a million likes, a "neutral" algorithm might choose to promote it. But unless that algorithm knows that the Tweet is deliberately inflammatory, it can't choose to de-prioritise it.

So, yes, there is a problem with human nature. But it is being exacerbated by deliberate technical and policy choices.

Re: Tell HN: The issues of Twitter are not a technical problem to solve

#14
I used to agree with you until I created a new Twitter account from scratch.

I'm not American and I specifically put non-political things in my interests. Yet, the second I signed up I got the following:

1. A notification about a smug reply a rando made to a Republican Congressman.

2. Posts from a meme page with a Pepe the frog avatar showing homeless people fighting in San Francisco.

3. Somebody I don't follow accusing another person I don't follow of being a nazi.

The problem with Twitter is that it needs high engagement, so it strongly recommends posts that are low on quality but high on emotion. This gets people to post the most smug and controversial takes they can handle.

I recommend everyone creating a new social media account every once in a while to see what the rest of the world see. It's as enlightening as browsing the internet with Adblock disabled.

Re: Tell HN: The issues of Twitter are not a technical problem to solve

#15
> No amount of algorithms can improve human behavior on any platform

Humans aren't yet computers, so algorithms are (obviously) not directly relevant to them.

But in the general sense, that clam is wrong. Human behavior is amenable to rules, incentives and social pressure, and technical tools have found a role in shaping that since the dawn of civilization. From simple technology such as voting down to the most oppressive algorithmic surveillance state, algorithms can be used to influence and control human behavior or enforce rules.

Re: Tell HN: The issues of Twitter are not a technical problem to solve

#16
Subreddits solve I think the big problem of twitter, namely political flamebait leaking everywhere. Compartmentalize and quarantine that stuff and maybe you can get a healthy message board going, but I think people will never be as open and naive as they were in the early days of twitter / FB again.

Re: Tell HN: The issues of Twitter are not a technical problem to solve

#17
> It's more of a personal, interpersonal and a social problem which needs extensive research, surveys to find the "why" and how we might be able to fix it or avoid it from happening again.

You are right about it not being a technology problem, but what you are describing there is how you approach a technical problem.

You are never going to solve it that way. In fact it might never be solved, because the issue is politics, it’s people intentionally wanting to game the systems to influence masses and get their way.

No amount of research and surveys to “find the why” will allow you to “fix” it or “avoid it from happening again”.

Re: Tell HN: The issues of Twitter are not a technical problem to solve

#18

Hacker News has a great community, features informative discourse, and doesn't suffer from the ailments that you list (or suffers from them much less than Twitter). Therefore we should invite all Twitter users to join our healthy community. Everybody wins. Edit: I hoped it would be obvious, but the second sentence of this comment was supposed to be sarcastic.

> Therefore we should invite all Twitter users to join our healthy community.

See the Eternal September as a cautionary tale: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September

Re: Tell HN: The issues of Twitter are not a technical problem to solve

#19
post #7

> surveys to find the "why" and how we might be able to fix it or avoid it from happening again A 2-party system will always create polarization and lead to black/white thinking in all aspects of life I think. As a European moving to USA, the part I miss most about back home is the willingness to think of all issues as “Well there’s 5+ sides to this, let’s discuss”. I think that outlook stems directly from our multip…

Certain parts of non-US twitter were "polarized" enough to start the Arab Spring, the Orange Revolution in Ukraine (leading to its current situation), and it seems that through social media of some sort Iran is currently undergoing a revolt against its own morality police. A huge part of Twitter's popularity and success is linked to its role in coordinating anti-authoritarian action.

Re: Tell HN: The issues of Twitter are not a technical problem to solve

#20

What I want is pretty simple (and isn't for everyone): I just want a spot I can keep tabs on the broader goings on of other people in infosec.

> I just want a spot I can keep tabs on the broader goings on of other people in infosec.

I think this is the problem Twitter/Musk has - Twitter isn't one product but a million. Just about every user has their own way of using Twitter - from finding out about what's goings on in some niche (work, sport, hobby), seeing what celebrities are doing, asking their community questions, discussing politics, finding out news, promoting their newsletter, podcast, crypto scam or product, or growing their twitter followers.

Anything that makes the way people use twitter less optimal is going to piss off substantial numbers of users.

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