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Re: Tell HN: The issues of Twitter are not a technical problem to solve

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post #32

Hacker News has a great community, features informative discourse, and doesn't suffer from the ailments that you list (or suffers from them much less than Twitter). Therefore we should invite all Twitter users to join our healthy community. Everybody wins. Edit: I hoped it would be obvious, but the second sentence of this comment was supposed to be sarcastic.

How is HN viable? There is zero revenue only cost right?

If you go to the parent domain ycombinator, you can see they're doing pretty well on making profits with their investments. Of which most launched here with a Show HN

Re: Tell HN: The issues of Twitter are not a technical problem to solve

#52
post #24

I don't know that Twitter actually needs to be fixed. It's very good for what it is - a microblogging platform that provides instant, timely updates on news and current topics. I think Twitter could, however, capitalize on its platform and offer additional, successful features. Twitter could offer Patreon and Substack-esque features where users could subscribe to additional, richer, and more in-depth content from con…

I don’t think “I don’t think it suffers from inherent problems” is a universal opinion: https://www.reuters.com/technology/exclusive-where-did-tweet... Also, people talk about the bot problem like non-stop, including the new owner.

Only people that follow a lot of crypto people have not problems. And mostly. If you aren’t reading real time, but like an hour old, the bots will have been hidden.

Re: Tell HN: The issues of Twitter are not a technical problem to solve

#53
i think the biggest problem of twitter is that it always highlights the tweets that get a lot of likes, even if you have nothing to do with them. in this way, it becomes very easy for fake news and nonsense content to spread virally. eg elon musk tweets lol

Re: Tell HN: The issues of Twitter are not a technical problem to solve

#54
post #14

I used to agree with you until I created a new Twitter account from scratch. I'm not American and I specifically put non-political things in my interests. Yet, the second I signed up I got the following: 1. A notification about a smug reply a rando made to a Republican Congressman. 2. Posts from a meme page with a Pepe the frog avatar showing homeless people fighting in San Francisco. 3. Somebody I don't follow accus…

I’ve tried this the other day and besides an insanely difficult captcha that made me add up faces on dice, I had the same result as you. Overnight got spammed with low quality notifications from troll political accounts.

Re: Tell HN: The issues of Twitter are not a technical problem to solve

#55
> - can have extremely polarized views

> - feel the need to defend their polarized but flawed viewpoint at any cost

> - are virtue signaling others but refuse to take any accountability whatsoever

> - have less and less attention span

> - only consume the content that aligns with their views

This is a bit of a weird diagnosis. The first four aren't problems with twitter, and the last one is simply false. The most politically polarized people are constantly hate-reading content from the other side.

The only sure issue that twitter has is its cozy relationship with the US government, and the personal issue that I have with it is the enormous amount of harassment it allows while at the same time heavily moderating content for its politics/worldview.

Every other issue I have with twitter is technical, like its horrible web design, its lack of interop, the disorganized nature of "verification."

> It's like there's fire in the house

It's not. It's like people are trying to convince us there's fire in the house, and that this fire entirely consists of people's speech about their honestly held and very common beliefs.

Re: Tell HN: The issues of Twitter are not a technical problem to solve

#56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That seems like a pretty good cross-section of the discourse the week before election day. Not sure if it's worth extrapolating.

I think the problem is why does he a non American get pushed shit from American political fringes at all.

The problem is that nobody needs this shit. And we need a social network that doesn't have incentives to promote and create an environment conducive to toxic content.

Compare to HN. (I think) We all enjoy HN, mostly because it's quite effectively moderated and the site admins don't have the same OKRs as twitter/FB etc. do.

Re: Tell HN: The issues of Twitter are not a technical problem to solve

#57
Agreed. The problem with Twitter is in its design. It's in what it allows you to do, and what it doesn't. I'll repeat what I raised in the other post:

1. People are high-variance, and yet we're only allowed to follow individual accounts. That's a problem, especially because network effects mean that one person's voice gets amplified exponentially with the number of followers they have. Consider the six degrees of separation: applied to Twitter, we realize that it only takes 6 retweets to reach basically everyone. Following "Topics" is close but not good enough, because you cannot voluntarily opt into topics or really understand why a given tweet is within a topic; Twitter uses its Computer Magic to categorize tweets and makes all the decisions in a black box.

2. The only negative feedback is unfollowing. This is a problem because it means that practically all forms of engagement are treated equally. Oh, this tweet is getting a lot of comments, let's boost it so more people see it! Whoops, it was about space lasers. We are stuck repeatedly fighting Bad Takes because they have to be argued against every time, always gain nonzero traction. They are never put to rest. There is very little negative incentive against being a garbage human on Twitter, especially if you're anonymous.

We're never going to change core human behavior, but the design of a platform can guide that behavior. For example, the HN and Reddit model of posting means that your previous karma has no impact on your post's reach. That has serious implications for the kind of conversations that become popular on the platform. Another example: Facebook's commenting model is not nested and therefore doesn't allow you to have conversations with other people. So what do you get? Everyone screaming into the void, vaguely in the direction of other people.

Everyone talks about "changing the system", and yet all the suggestions are mostly cosmetic like charging for accounts. That doesn't change the fact that every time Elon tweets, it's automatically shunted to a million people no matter how bonkers it is.

Re: Tell HN: The issues of Twitter are not a technical problem to solve

#58
post #14

I used to agree with you until I created a new Twitter account from scratch. I'm not American and I specifically put non-political things in my interests. Yet, the second I signed up I got the following: 1. A notification about a smug reply a rando made to a Republican Congressman. 2. Posts from a meme page with a Pepe the frog avatar showing homeless people fighting in San Francisco. 3. Somebody I don't follow accus…

I signed up out of necessity because I work for a media site that gets a lot of traffic from Twitter. Loads of media orgs (good and bad) spread news via Twitter. A lot of really good journalists have very positive presences. A lot of independent journalists are probably heavily reliant on it.

Re: Tell HN: The issues of Twitter are not a technical problem to solve

#60
post #30

I ran an official fan site once, for an EA title of all things. Doing this I learned some neat tricks to limit the amount of administration required. One thing that stuck was that there is a huge benefit to maintaining a specific section for garbage posts. Sticky threads existed titled: Potentially offensive/spam? Post it here. Everyone used it and followed the very few rules of the spam board. I rarely had to move a…

It looks cool, but right now there are 2 sides of the same coin. Maybe one would need a ,,victim / possibly being offended'' section as well.

If being an AO3 regular has taught me anything it's that some people are just incapable of watching out for themselves. You can put all the warnings and tags on your writing and other people can configure their profile to automatically hide anything with warnings and tags that they dont like. You can tag yourself as 'dead dove do not eat' to specially indicate that none of the abhorrent shit in your tags is there ironically. You can make your post privileged so only registered members (and the site has a waiting period) can even see your fic exists, filtering out bystanders.

Readers will STILL complain that you 'subjected them' to a noncon cannibalism fic as if they somehow did not have a clear roadsign at the top.

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