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I’m taking some time away from Comma

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Re: I’m taking some time away from Comma

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Post by Eridrus »

andrewmcwatters wrote: post #323
Eridrus wrote: post #199

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Not even geohot is asserting that "SAE Level 2 is the most practical self-driving we are ever going to get", his assertion is that he thinks nobody is going to get there in the next 10 years. He may be right that we won't get there broadly for 10 years, but I think that's a rationalization of how things have gone for him, and the fact that the methods he has worked on don't have a chance of getting there, rather than…

You don't have to tell me about Waymo. I live where they operate. I'm one of the few people in the United States who can actually use their service. They limit where you can go by an approximate 4x9 city block area, and actually less than that, I'm being generous. You have no idea exactly how limited the service is. Effectively, you can't go ANYWHERE in the Phoenix metro area unless your A-to-B destination is squarel…

I am aware of the limitations, but covering some predefined area with no human intervention is the definition of L4.

Clearly there is non-zero development risk here, but I don't think it's going so badly that it's definitely going to take 10+ years to launch in a metro area with millions of people.

It may take a decade to get to a coast-to-coast system, but there's not a whole lot of incentive to build that vs serving a few large metros in the near future.

Re: I’m taking some time away from Comma

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Post by Dylan16807 »

jocker12 wrote: post #387
Dylan16807 wrote: post #355

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> doesn't qualify for "completely autonomous" standard No, but it does qualify for "closer to reality today than they were 5 years ago" > Pattern recognition software alone (A.I.) would never be able to match human driving performances. That's okay. A trained human can do much better than necessary, and geofenced pattern recognition software doesn't have to be as good, especially because it should have better reactio…

"No, but it does qualify for" - please check the statement my comment was responding to. The "1 step forward, 3 steps back" way the automation sector does R&D is not moving towards reality, is moving towards confusing the public to justify their pitch to eventual investors. "That's okay." - Maybe for you, but not for investors and for the market. "Why?" - It's unsustainable, requiring resources (provided at this poin…

> 1 step forward, 3 steps back

What are the steps back?

They're slow but they're improving. And they don't need to reach their original lofty goal.

> "Why?" - It's unsustainable

Sorry, the "Why" was directed at the level of scientific achievement you claim they need.

Re: I’m taking some time away from Comma

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Post by roumenguha »

denimnerd42 wrote: post #223

comma.ai has too much regulatory and third party (car mfg.) risk. it's also too expensive when the most compelling features are upgrades to 2015-2018 level technology. i could instead do without and then upgrade to a new car with stop and go cruise control, lane minding, etc.

If expense is the only drawback, there's knockoff you can find on AliExpress. Browse /r/Comma_AI for more info.

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Post by icpmacdo »

lovehashbrowns wrote: post #57

Kinda surprising that he's stepping away from Comma.ai after they just opened their new office in San Diego. Anyhow, there's a Hotz stream out in the world where he completes a few of those hacking challenge exercises. George is an amazing engineer and I use that stream as a metric for where I want to be in my knowledge and technical ability.

A link to that would be awesome if possible

Re: I’m taking some time away from Comma

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Post by joshspankit »

MetaWhirledPeas wrote: post #208
HanClinto wrote: post #97

One of my favorite Dirty Harry quotes: "A man's got to know his limitations." I really appreciate his self-awareness and (dare I say it?) humility in this situation. While other people may be struck by his hubris, I for one really appreciated his humility in this post. I feel like he is acknowledging his own shortcomings, and how while he likes the immaturity of hacking together a racecar, but if Comma is going to go…

Right? I'm hearing a lot of comments about his ego (and I'm sure he has one) but in this post he's also being refreshingly honest about his own abilities. I think that's a healthy take for anyone: just because you can climb the ladder and make more money doesn't mean you should. I'm sure some people are also triggered by the supernatural turn his writing took there. Who cares? It's interesting, and he's not being a j…

I have long suspected that you need an ego to lead a company that’s on the frontier. An ego draws boundaries between you and those who seek to take you down and it can also be what pulls you towards a world where you are the one bringing the Big Ideas to life.

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Post by joenot443 »

Matl wrote: post #349
joenot443 wrote: post #190

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Namedropping Peterson when he has 0 relevance to the conversation at hand is just juvenile flamebait and a pretty easy tell that the GP isn't really acting in good faith. I don't think @matl is interested in a serious conversation about the historical relevancy of the Bible, nor are they equipped to have one.

> Namedropping Peterson when he has 0 relevance to the conversation at hand He absolutely has relevance considering he's the most recent prominent public figure pushing the Bible as "the foundational stories" without which we cannot live. Yes, there are others and it may be that OP arrived at this independently, but I've heard this most from his followers. I acknowledge that I may've been slightly nudged by OP's unfo…

He really doesn't though. Just because you personally make company with his followers doesn't mean anyone else on this site does. In all my time here I don't think I've _ever_ seen someone take his side, I've only ever seen him used as a weird strawman in the same fashion you are.

I think it's a pretty dull tactic to namedrop e-celebs you don't like as a very crude way of making a point. Clearly you have some fairly progressive views, so it'd be a bit like if I brought up other e-celeb clowns like Hasan or Destiny specifically so I could make a bad dunk. That kind of discourse just doesn't have a place on HN, imo.

I don't doubt you can think of better ways to articulate your points, and I'd encourage you to do so.

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Post by joenot443 »

mchaver wrote: post #358
thepasswordis wrote: post #79

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You have no time to waste on western civilization's foundational text? edit: to the people who want to argue this: show me a body of work which has been more influential on western society. What people seem to identify as 'western' values are largely just judeo christian values. The influence of the bible is so ingrained into our society that you will live out the values within it even if you don't realize it. And th…

> to the people who want to argue this: show me a body of work which has been more influential on western society. A potential competitor would be Ancient Greek Philosophy (Socrates, Plato, Aristotle). Though it is hard to measure. > What people seem to identify as 'western' values are largely just judeo christian values. Nope, 'Judeo-Christian values' is a horrible Christian-Americanism that seems to erase the vast…

'Judeo-Christian values' is actually phrase coined by George Orwell, but it's clear that you're much better studied on the topic.

Any Christian or Jew will obviously acknowledge the many differences between the faiths, but I'm confused that you seem to be saying there aren't HUGE similarities in their value systems. Do you have many Jewish or Christian friends? I feel as if your understanding of Jewish/Christian culture is much more based on internet comments than lived experience.

If you want to understand, I encourage you to spend some time with devout Jews or devout Catholics and you'll begin to see the similarities.

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Post by giancarlostoro »

capableweb wrote: post #285
giancarlostoro wrote: post #272

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This is a fair call out. I guess I'm more talking about more advanced things in the future though like robot maids like in The Jetsons.

Yeah, exactly what the AI Effect is about :) > We don't use AI anywhere today > But here in X places we do use AI > Yeah, but not for Y once Y is using AI > We don't use AI anywhere today > But here we're using AI for Y > Yeah, but not for Z And so on :) From Wikipedia: > Author Pamela McCorduck writes: "It's part of the history of the field of artificial intelligence that every time somebody figured out how to make…

Fair, though in my case (which is insignificant and out of the norm) I've always wanted AI robots, as a kid I loved watching Dexter's Lab and seeing him make robots to do things. I'm also okay with a really powerful AI assistant beyond what we have today. I tried using AI assistants a few times, but I always end up shutting them off for either privacy concerns or just get tired of figuring out the word soup to make them work. I really want to see an AI assistant that is insanely capable and fully offline first, so maybe something like Mycroft, not sure how fully capable it is without reaching out to the internet though, but I assume it has some capabilities without being online.

In my eyes, AI is something that could pass the Turing test without fail, ever because it knows how to communicate how we do, and think like we do.

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Post by paulryanrogers »

foogazi wrote: post #389
paulryanrogers wrote: post #381

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> What about the regulators that allow drunk and distracted drivers everywhere In what places is drunk driving legal? The laws exist and are rigorously--if imperfectly--enforced everywhere I've ever lived. Are folks building transportation businesses employing drunk drivers?

People can drive under the influence, over the speed limit, distracted or with road rage Vs autonomous driving where none of those impediments come into play

Irrelevant because drunk driving, speeding, and driving distracted are illegal and frequently punished. AI performs similar to drunk drivers yet is an unregulated open public beta that is sold as a product.
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