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I made outlines for KDE Breeze window decoration

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Re: I made outlines for KDE Breeze window decoration

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Post by ntauthority »

Archelaos wrote: post #84
Jedd wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft Windows is abysmal on this front - I have to use Microsoft Windows 10 periodically, while most of my life is spent in KDE, and the disjoint is jarring. In KDE I can precisely control and set window border thickness and colour. In Microsoft Windows 10 (and I assume 11 has continued the trend at making this even worse) I can enable a very thin border, of a themed colour, and that border disappears when the wi…

> In KDE I can precisely control and set window border thickness and colour. What I do not comprehend is the logic behind why Windows does not support such in my view easy to implement choices.

It does, under the accessibility options. 'Contrast themes' allow fairly fine-grained customization, still, and a lot of legacy values that have been there since Windows 95 are still supported otherwise to some extent albeit sometimes hidden.

Re: I made outlines for KDE Breeze window decoration

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Post by vladvasiliu »

Lex-2008 wrote: post #89
vladvasiliu wrote: post #85

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I don't know if I'm a "normal", but I kinda hate this trend to stick everything in tabs. For example, I hate having to jump through hoops to disable tabs in Firefox. Which means using a janky extensions that usually is able to split the tab into a new window. Doesn't always work. I also have to go and manually tweak the browser chrome to hide the tab bar. The way I see it, tabs and whatnot are a window manager's job.…

What window manager are you using? And how many windows can you comfortably manage with it? On my current machine (KDE on 1366x768 screen), after 10 open windows their titles disappear, leaving only window icons. And "comfortable" number for me is even lower - no more than 5 windows on a single virtual desktop. But I'm a tab user, and would like to hear about other approaches.

I use i3 (standard, no gaps), so the tabbing mode works particularly well as a replacement for window tabs. I can probably go up to twenty windows open on a given virtual desktop in tab mode with no issue. I usually use a 24" 3840x2160 screen in 100% mode and zoom in the content. This works well enough even on my 14" 1920x1080 laptop, but I avoid doing "serious" work on it, since I don't like being hunched over and the screen is a bad joke.

Yes, when there are many tabs open, at some point, I can't distinguish them easily anymore, especially on the laptop. But the same happens with tabs. At least I can scroll my mouse wheel to change between them, which didn't use to work with tabs.

My coping mechanism is saving the tabs I want to keep for later as bookmarks. Getting back to them has the same kind of probability as when I used to use tabs. But the win of this approach is that I don't have open webpages hanging around eating resources.

I've also found that there are basically two ways I use my computer:

1. I'm just randomly browsing, and I am going to open a zillion tabs (say while browsing HN) but then I'll read them and close them sequentially. No jumping from one to another, so the tabs being small is not an issue.

2. Having several windows open that I all need while working. In this case, I'll set them up in some tiling setup, usually an editor / terminal where I work on one side of the screen, and multiple browser windows in tabbed mode on the other. I then jump back and forth between the two sides. If I need to access a specific browser window that's not visible and there are too many open to know where to click (which does happen, but rarely) I'll just use the jump to window function of rofi in fzf mode where I type in a part of its name and press enter. This isn't perfect, but it works well enough for me. Since i3 doesn't have an included "go back to previous window", I had to hack this on my own [0]. This could also be implemented by using window marks, though I've never tried that.

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[0] https://github.com/vladvasiliu/i3helper

Other alternatives exist, but I thought it was fun to build my own.

Re: I made outlines for KDE Breeze window decoration

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Post by WastingMyTime89 »

shmerl wrote: post #40
WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #35

It’s always nice to read about someone contributing to open source. Looking at the screenshots I have a question for the KDE users here. I am surprised by the incorrect kerning and strange padding on display in the interface. Is that normal or is it a consequence of it being so customisable the author likes settings which leads to this result?

Can you please point out what that means in that sceenshot? Fonts generally got pretty good with fontconfig, but I suppose there are always some edge cases.

It’s very obvious if you look at "Documents" in the first screenshot. The spacing between D, o and c is a lot larger than between t and s.

For the padding, you can see that the spacing is strange under and over the toolbar icons. There is a lot of space between the icon in the title bar and the icon in the toolbar. Alignement between icons and texts in the file browser sidebar seems suspect to me too especially for "Pictures".

I know some people don’t care about that kind of things but I find it unsettling. Looking at it I know I wouldn’t be able to use KDE.

Re: I made outlines for KDE Breeze window decoration

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Post by anthk »

weberer wrote: post #81
alex3305 wrote: post #13

I haven't touched KDE in maybe 15 years. I just always defaulted to Gnome when I'm on Linux desktop. But this looks more macOS like. Just curious, is there any reason I should try KDE today?

Try uploading a file in GNOME. The interface has no thumbnails. This has been an open issue for something like 18 years. Its not a problem in KDE. More info: https://jayfax.neocities.org/mediocrity/gnome-has-no-thumbna...

TBH, now it will.

Re: I made outlines for KDE Breeze window decoration

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Post by Timja »

diffeomorphism wrote: post #83
Timja wrote: post #70

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That would take years. I use Debian Stable. I think Plasma has something like "Decorations" - can a custom decoration be used? Can one use scripts in the "Decorations"?

https://github.com/esjeon/krohnkite/blob/master/README.md#ch...

If this works already, why did the author of this article write new code for it?

Re: I made outlines for KDE Breeze window decoration

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Post by Timja »

diffeomorphism wrote: post #82
Timja wrote: post #76

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Can you elaborate? What sounds like a wound? What is emerald, what is compiz and how does this all related to window borders?

Translation: That sounds like you caused this problem for yourself by choosing debian stable. emerald, compiz: fairly famous window managers/compositors everyone used to use, e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QokOwvPxrE > how is this related to window borders compiz is famous for including all sorts of fancy/over the top effects like windows going up in flames, so stuff like glowing window borders should be no pr…

Tried the dim thing. Suuuper annoying. When I switch from a fullscreen Firefox to a tiny terminal and the whole screen dims down.

Also it makes it hard to work with multiple windows, because some of them are dimmed then.

Re: I made outlines for KDE Breeze window decoration

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Post by greyw »

Arnavion wrote: post #36
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #28

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>It's already usable today, so I don't see why you'd need to wait for a decade. No, it's not usable for me. I still can't share my screen in Slack or Teams making calls with Windows and Mac colleagues an embarrassing mess. Firefox in Ubuntu 22.04 has Wayland disabled by default (why though, if Wayland is so usable?) No scroll acceleration settings. Currently, Wayland is one step forward, one step back. Especially tha…

>I still can't share my screen in Slack or Teams making calls with Windows and Mac colleagues an embarrassing mess. Works fine in at least all wlroots compositors (via xdpw) and in GNOME (via xdpgtk). The Electron versions presumably don't use PW so they'll only share Xwayland windows. The browser versions will be able to share everything through xdp since all major browsers support PW. >Firefox in Ubuntu 22.04 has W…

> >I still can't share my screen in Slack or Teams making calls with Windows and Mac colleagues an embarrassing mess.

> Works fine in at least all wlroots compositors (via xdpw) and in GNOME (via xdpgtk). The Electron versions presumably don't use PW so they'll only share Xwayland windows. The browser versions will be able to share everything through xdp since all major browsers support PW.

> >Firefox in Ubuntu 22.04 has Wayland disabled by default (why though, if Wayland is so usable?)

> Dunno, works for me. Firefox isn't exactly the poster-child of intelligent decisions.

> >No scroll acceleration settings.

> Depends on the compositor. sway supports them. Not a Wayland problem.

> >Currently, Wayland is one step forward, one step back.

> Nope.

> >Especially that many highly used apps still haven't made the switch

> Yes they have. For starters, every GTK3+ and Qt 5+ program will already use Wayland if it exists.

> >Wayland has not yet feature parity to what X11 offered.

> Yes it has.

Wayland still doesnt support color managment and tearing updates (the latter might not happen because wayland people dont understand the usecase)

Re: I made outlines for KDE Breeze window decoration

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Post by diffeomorphism »

Timja wrote: post #96
diffeomorphism wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://github.com/esjeon/krohnkite/blob/master/README.md#ch...

If this works already, why did the author of this article write new code for it?

Because it does something different? The new one changes colors depending on the background color, for a different window decoration, outline instead if borders (rounded corners etc.)...

Also, your post is incredibly rude!

Re: I made outlines for KDE Breeze window decoration

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Post by diffeomorphism »

Timja wrote: post #97
diffeomorphism wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Translation: That sounds like you caused this problem for yourself by choosing debian stable. emerald, compiz: fairly famous window managers/compositors everyone used to use, e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QokOwvPxrE > how is this related to window borders compiz is famous for including all sorts of fancy/over the top effects like windows going up in flames, so stuff like glowing window borders should be no pr…

Tried the dim thing. Suuuper annoying. When I switch from a fullscreen Firefox to a tiny terminal and the whole screen dims down. Also it makes it hard to work with multiple windows, because some of them are dimmed then.

Very interesting. Would you also like to share what you did not like about breakfast this morning?
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