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Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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I'm surprised they don't just DQ him under an intentionally vague rule on reckless maneuvers.

Sports don’t generally work that way, especially in the US. If it’s not specifically against the rules but clearly should be, you get the old “great job! Never do it again!”

Motorsports generally have a rule like, "safety violation deemed at official's discretion". The wikipage on NASCAR rules looks like it has just such a rule.

Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

#202

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> an environment where social expectations and pressure don't really exist. It’s almost inverted. The expectation is often for gamers to be as exploitative as possible. There is a lot of hilarity to be had by all with a play that gets a win in ann unexpected way, and it has quite a culture around it. It can go too far to be sure, but in good measure it’s often what is best about multiplayer games.

A video game is a puzzle and it is fun to watch someone successfully manipulate a puzzle. Live sports are with people and people don't like watching others be manipulated.

Of course they do, things like juking, tricking other players, etc are well accepted

The problem is that these kinds of strategies are boring to watch, have little counter play, and only interesting the first time around — as soon as it enters the meta, it’s just boring. In this case it’d probably be fine, but if you spent two minutes doing it? It’d be awful.

Exactly the same as it goes in video games — it’s fun to see people exploiting elements the game, when it adds complexity to the match. When it reduces it, like an infinite combo, regardless of how mechanically complex or novel a puzzle solution it might be, it just detracts.

Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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> an environment where social expectations and pressure don't really exist. It’s almost inverted. The expectation is often for gamers to be as exploitative as possible. There is a lot of hilarity to be had by all with a play that gets a win in ann unexpected way, and it has quite a culture around it. It can go too far to be sure, but in good measure it’s often what is best about multiplayer games.

A video game is a puzzle and it is fun to watch someone successfully manipulate a puzzle. Live sports are with people and people don't like watching others be manipulated.

> Live sports are with people and people don't like watching others be manipulated.

I'm pretty sure I've seen lots of deceptive and misleading strategies and tactics in football and other sports, not to mention multiple forms of "faking." Also a core part of sports like football seems to be putting pressure on the person with the ball - up to and including physical tackling.

Clock/time management also seems to be a thing.

Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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post #22

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Do you see how fast he is going compared to the other cars? They are going as fast as they can without losing grip and spinning out as they go round the corner. He has the wall supporting him around the corner and could floor the accelerator in top gear.

I get that he’s not going to slide off the track, but I don’t understand how he wouldn’t be slowed by the friction of the side of his car against the wall, though

He is slowed down by the friction of the side of his car against the wall. And probably by bits of his car being torn away as it slowly disintegrates. But the engines on these cars are powerful and can easily overcome those effects.

Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

#205
post #81

This is one of those events that I'm of several minds about: 1) This is what keeps people outside the scene interested and taking note - NASCAR absolutely should publicize and play up this moment, it brings a lot of folks to the sport. It was incredibly awesome. 2) A lot of times something like this is how you form some new regulations - it's truly one of those "You know, this was excellent but we can't do it again"…

The sidewall of the track should have some way to impart boost.

Formula E has “attack mode” sections that temporarily boost the electric car’s power by 30kW: https://www.fiaformulae.com/en/championship/attack-mode

Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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post #99

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Okay but why didn’t anyone try this before? They just didn’t think of it? What made it a good idea this time but not any other time if it’s faster?

The 2022 “NextGen” cars are significantly stiffer than prior cars; it’s possible that they are stiff enough to be better able to run the full half lap without getting stuck, but I more suspect no one seriously considered it. Even with Nextgen cars, it’s a last half-lap move at most.

I also suspect nobody seriously considered it or thought they could get away with it. If they don't add rules to stop it, you will see people welding bumpers or even wheels to the sides of their cars to take advantage.

Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

#209
post #96

Of all the forms of immortality, my favorite is participating in a competition in such a brilliant, incorrect way that a rule is permanently added just for you.

> Of all the forms of immortality, my favorite is participating in a competition in such a brilliant, incorrect way that a rule is permanently added just for you. That's precisely why car races are boring these days. Everything is forbidden and over-regulated so there's no space for innovation anymore. Look at F1 and its bloat of regulations.

> That's precisely why car races are boring these days. Everything is forbidden and over-regulated so there's no space for innovation anymore. Look at F1 and its bloat of regulations.

Does rally (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDGJoPmR_8U) count as car racing?

Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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> an environment where social expectations and pressure don't really exist. It’s almost inverted. The expectation is often for gamers to be as exploitative as possible. There is a lot of hilarity to be had by all with a play that gets a win in ann unexpected way, and it has quite a culture around it. It can go too far to be sure, but in good measure it’s often what is best about multiplayer games.

A video game is a puzzle and it is fun to watch someone successfully manipulate a puzzle. Live sports are with people and people don't like watching others be manipulated.

Disagree completely, the deke is my favorite play in baseball.
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