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Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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Post by zinckiwi »

TulliusCicero wrote: post #70
jefftk wrote: post #56

Reminds me of another example of video-game inspired tactics: Just before he reached the end zone, with 17 seconds remaining, Stokley cut right at 90 degrees and ran across the field. Six seconds drained off the clock before, at last, he meandered across the goal line to score the winning touchdown. For certain football fans, the excitement of a last-minute comeback now commingled with the shock of the familiar: It's…

This is really interesting. The incentive to pull off this kind of move, running the clock down a bit, that was already present. But there's a certain social expectation that you won't game the rules so blatantly, so that's a disincentive. What the existence of video games does, is allow people to do things like this in an environment where social expectations and pressure don't really exist. It's like a psychologica…

At least this is open play with ball in hand, and there is danger there. I fully admit I am not very familiar with American football, but the completely accepted "taking a knee" to run down as much as two minutes of the clock at the end of the game strikes me as far more cynical.

Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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Post by mastazi »

eCa wrote: post #37
QuadmasterXLII wrote: post #2

Of all the forms of immortality, my favorite is participating in a competition in such a brilliant, incorrect way that a rule is permanently added just for you.

My favourite of these is probably Graeme Obree[1] who managed to get not one, but two very different bike positions banned in the ’90s after setting the hour record using one of them and winning the world championship using the other. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graeme_Obree

Interesting video with Obree where his positions are tested in a wind tunnel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ9H0INZ2_s

Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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Post by kerakaali »

TulliusCicero wrote: post #70
jefftk wrote: post #56

Reminds me of another example of video-game inspired tactics: Just before he reached the end zone, with 17 seconds remaining, Stokley cut right at 90 degrees and ran across the field. Six seconds drained off the clock before, at last, he meandered across the goal line to score the winning touchdown. For certain football fans, the excitement of a last-minute comeback now commingled with the shock of the familiar: It's…

This is really interesting. The incentive to pull off this kind of move, running the clock down a bit, that was already present. But there's a certain social expectation that you won't game the rules so blatantly, so that's a disincentive. What the existence of video games does, is allow people to do things like this in an environment where social expectations and pressure don't really exist. It's like a psychologica…

I love this comment and want to add another perspective.

The existence of video games brings people together on a level playing field where they are free to explore their ideas and refine strategies over a length of time far longer than anyone can actually play the game in reality.

You see it to a more immediate effect in games such as Dota2, League, etc. Professional level players regularly play with amateurs and non-professionals and you notice that ideas propagate throughout the community readily.

Obviously there is a certain barrier to entry for physical sports and the online equivalent to share in ideas, but with how far sports-based games will go striving for realism (all the iterations of Football Manager come to mind), it wouldn't be hard to imagine that in the future strategies will be tested virtually before being employed in real.

Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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Post by yuliyp »

TulliusCicero wrote: post #70
jefftk wrote: post #56

Reminds me of another example of video-game inspired tactics: Just before he reached the end zone, with 17 seconds remaining, Stokley cut right at 90 degrees and ran across the field. Six seconds drained off the clock before, at last, he meandered across the goal line to score the winning touchdown. For certain football fans, the excitement of a last-minute comeback now commingled with the shock of the familiar: It's…

This is really interesting. The incentive to pull off this kind of move, running the clock down a bit, that was already present. But there's a certain social expectation that you won't game the rules so blatantly, so that's a disincentive. What the existence of video games does, is allow people to do things like this in an environment where social expectations and pressure don't really exist. It's like a psychologica…

That social expectation isn't really present in american football: teams will do lots of different things to manipulate the game clock toward the end (choose to run vs pass because the clock stops on incomplete passes or if the ball goes out of bounds, taking a knee, spiking the ball).

Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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Post by ekianjo »

QuadmasterXLII wrote: post #2

Of all the forms of immortality, my favorite is participating in a competition in such a brilliant, incorrect way that a rule is permanently added just for you.

> Of all the forms of immortality, my favorite is participating in a competition in such a brilliant, incorrect way that a rule is permanently added just for you.

That's precisely why car races are boring these days. Everything is forbidden and over-regulated so there's no space for innovation anymore. Look at F1 and its bloat of regulations.

Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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Post by joshmlewis »

daguava wrote: post #81

This is one of those events that I'm of several minds about: 1) This is what keeps people outside the scene interested and taking note - NASCAR absolutely should publicize and play up this moment, it brings a lot of folks to the sport. It was incredibly awesome. 2) A lot of times something like this is how you form some new regulations - it's truly one of those "You know, this was excellent but we can't do it again"…

It's definitely being played up so I think they did something right. My friends (who aren't Nascar fans) sent it to me, it was all over Twitter and Facebook, and now here in the #1 spot on the site I least expected it to show up.

Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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Post by thereisnospork »

z9znz wrote: post #60
thereisnospork wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How much camber is allowed on the right wheels though, can you go full hella-flush? Asking for a friend :)

I considered this first. But I imagine the camber change would ruin the insides of the tires so fast that it wouldn't be worth the wall rolling benefits... Perhaps a better idea would be some kind of aerodynamic change which would result in a trapped pressure area on the right side when it is close to the wall. Maybe some kind of concave side.

An F1 style 'wall-effect' skirt with a side mounted exhaust would do the trick I think. Have to stay on throttle to keep off the wall.

Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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Post by SilasX »

stubish wrote: post #22
drewbeck wrote: post #10

Is there some specific advantage gained irl by hugging the wall like this? I can’t tell from the video what he achieved by it.

Do you see how fast he is going compared to the other cars? They are going as fast as they can without losing grip and spinning out as they go round the corner. He has the wall supporting him around the corner and could floor the accelerator in top gear.

Okay but why didn’t anyone try this before? They just didn’t think of it? What made it a good idea this time but not any other time if it’s faster?

Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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Post by aidenn0 »

x0x0 wrote: post #55
Lammy wrote: post #39

I like the other drivers' reactions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHFhTB2h9tk

at 3:15 "I can't believe what I just saw... that's literally the coolest thing I've ever seen in my life... that was straight video game but hey man, way to never quit."

"that was incredible" "rule against it next week"
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