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Re: RIPE meetings: IP addresses as spoils of war

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Post by wmf »

nobody9999 wrote: post #59
wmf wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not "from scratch" but there are tons of routers that either don't support IPv6 or have broken support and thus need to be replaced.

>Not "from scratch" but there are tons of routers that either don't support IPv6 or have broken support and thus need to be replaced. A fair point. Many older (and possibly some current) consumer routers don't support IPv6 and would obviously need to be replaced. That said, AFAICT, all the Tier I and Tier II providers and most major ISPs routing infrastructures support IPv6. Depressingly, many of those don't offer IP…

Spectrum doesn't offer IPv6 to me, but does offer it to other customers

There's something they have to change to turn on IPv6 for your area, whether it's swapping a CMTS or updating an IPAM database or whatever, and that change costs both time and money so Spectrum is gradually rolling it out across the network. The cost of the migration is so large that it has to be spread over a decade or more so the shareholders don't revolt. It's frustrating but it's not evil (if they truly hated IPv6 they'd just never support it at all).

Re: RIPE meetings: IP addresses as spoils of war

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Post by samstave »

JauntyHatAngle wrote: post #49
samstave wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

uhm... kosovo, congo, rwanda??? Fucking massive genocides happen in the 90s. But if youre solely talking about cyber war -- ESCHELON, CARNIVOR I mean cyber war was super deep... NSA was requiring backdoor access to all routers as early as 1995... and not only that Cerberos group bought MAE-West in San jose and PAIX in palo alto to spy on everyone... I know a lot about these spying ops.

The OP said major western powers.

who the heck western power do you think i was talking about???

Re: RIPE meetings: IP addresses as spoils of war

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Post by dathinab »

MichaelZuo wrote: post #23

It was always a bit confusing how RIPE got around the Crimea switchover in 2014. They must have found a way to reallocate the system over to Russian companies as Ukranian ISPs no longer serve the region, but how they managed to do so without officially acknowledging Russian sovereignty is a mystery. Especially since they keep extensive paperwork. I asked about it on SE, https://law.stackexchange.com/questions/64179/d…

This kind of absolutist thinking has little to do with reality.

One one side the situation is technically very different and might not have involved RIPE.

One the other hand just because one company does something unlawful and is in general recognized doesn't at all imply that countries changed the recognizing of boarder, like at all. Governments sometimes "accidentally overlooking" or delaying some problem is a pretty common diplomatic tool. For example most US tech companies would have had to stop providing anything involving server data storage to the EU years ago due bad interactions between GDPR and Cloud Act.

National law is not code. It's not meant to be as ridged as code. That would be an catastrophe.

Geopolitics are in some way even less ridged then national law.

Re: RIPE meetings: IP addresses as spoils of war

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Post by MichaelZuo »

cmeacham98 wrote: post #51
MichaelZuo wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well there are a couple of contradictions, though they don't imply that Russia's claim is recognized, just that Ukraine's claim is no longer recognized. For example, their accounting department is likely accepting money from companies that have no legal basis under Ukrainian law for activities in Crimea. Unless they've waived all fees.

Companies here in the US do things that are illegal all the time. That doesn't mean they don't recognize the US government.

All companies in the US presumably have some legal basis in US law even if not all of them are complying 100% of the time.

The equivalent situation would be if a Canadian or Mexican company simply started doing business with physical premises in Alaska or Nevada without bothering to file a single page of paperwork to any US authority.

Since this is a commonly understood difference the comment seems like it was made in bad faith.

Re: RIPE meetings: IP addresses as spoils of war

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

pjc50 wrote: post #42
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #39

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> rather than something that was intentionally done Normal users cannot even put a link into an instagram post (pointing to whatever external site).... it seems pretty intentional to me (to keep you on their platform)

Intentionally done .. as an anti-spam measure. It's also there to limit the extent to which Instagram is part of OnlyFans customer acquisition. As someone who lived through it, I don't think decentrafans really appreciate that we had decentralised services and spam turned them into unusable wastelands. AI makes this worse, not better: the chance that a random site which looks like an interesting personal blog or smal…

> Intentionally done .. as an anti-spam measure

Instagram is one of those sites, where all the content you see is either content from people you actually follow (so, friends & family, and not actual spammers), or is actual spam from instagram itself (instagram ads), where links (to advertised products) are of course allowed.

So yeah... only people who'd get the onlyfans links (or whatever other non-instagram-ad spam) would be the people actually following the onlyfans "creator" (or whatever other spammer), and those probably already know the onlyfans link too.

Re: RIPE meetings: IP addresses as spoils of war

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Post by cmeacham98 »

MichaelZuo wrote: post #64
cmeacham98 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Companies here in the US do things that are illegal all the time. That doesn't mean they don't recognize the US government.

All companies in the US presumably have some legal basis in US law even if not all of them are complying 100% of the time. The equivalent situation would be if a Canadian or Mexican company simply started doing business with physical premises in Alaska or Nevada without bothering to file a single page of paperwork to any US authority. Since this is a commonly understood difference the comment seems like it was made i…

That analogy is so bad I honestly wonder if _you're_ commenting in bad faith:

1. RIPE has basis in Ukrainian law: they supply all the IPs the Ukrainian ISPs use too.

2. You're acting like RIPE moved into Crimea after the annexation, while in reality they were operating there prior to it.

3. RIPE does not (to the best of my knowledge) have any official presence in either Ukraine or Crimea.

A better analogy would be something along the lines of "A business had customers in both the north and south US. Then, the US Civil war happened and the Union made it illegal to do business with the Confederacy. The business continued to have customers in the Union and Confederacy, in violation of US law."

Re: RIPE meetings: IP addresses as spoils of war

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Post by nobody9999 »

wmf wrote: post #61
nobody9999 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Not "from scratch" but there are tons of routers that either don't support IPv6 or have broken support and thus need to be replaced. A fair point. Many older (and possibly some current) consumer routers don't support IPv6 and would obviously need to be replaced. That said, AFAICT, all the Tier I and Tier II providers and most major ISPs routing infrastructures support IPv6. Depressingly, many of those don't offer IP…

Spectrum doesn't offer IPv6 to me, but does offer it to other customers There's something they have to change to turn on IPv6 for your area, whether it's swapping a CMTS or updating an IPAM database or whatever, and that change costs both time and money so Spectrum is gradually rolling it out across the network. The cost of the migration is so large that it has to be spread over a decade or more so the shareholders d…

>There's something they have to change to turn on IPv6 for your area, whether it's swapping a CMTS or updating an IPAM database or whatever, and that change costs both time and money so Spectrum is gradually rolling it out across the network.

That's a plausible hypothesis.

Another one is that Spectrum likes the revenue it can generate from the scarcity of IPv4 addresses, especially with a captive market who can't (for the same reasons I mentioned WRT IPv6[0]) get their own IPv4 allocation.

Renting out a few million static IP addresses at $5 a pop is pure profit.

But you may well be right.

But from my perspective it's a distinction without a difference.

[0] https://www.arin.net/resources/guide/ipv6/first_request/#end...

Re: RIPE meetings: IP addresses as spoils of war

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Post by MichaelZuo »

cmeacham98 wrote: post #66
MichaelZuo wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All companies in the US presumably have some legal basis in US law even if not all of them are complying 100% of the time. The equivalent situation would be if a Canadian or Mexican company simply started doing business with physical premises in Alaska or Nevada without bothering to file a single page of paperwork to any US authority. Since this is a commonly understood difference the comment seems like it was made i…

That analogy is so bad I honestly wonder if _you're_ commenting in bad faith: 1. RIPE has basis in Ukrainian law: they supply all the IPs the Ukrainian ISPs use too. 2. You're acting like RIPE moved into Crimea after the annexation, while in reality they were operating there prior to it. 3. RIPE does not (to the best of my knowledge) have any official presence in either Ukraine or Crimea. A better analogy would be so…

I wasn't discussing what the legal basis of RIPE is anywhere. Nor does anyone else appear to be.

Re: RIPE meetings: IP addresses as spoils of war

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Post by samstave »

JauntyHatAngle wrote: post #69
samstave wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

who the heck western power do you think i was talking about???

You weren't, so your post didn't make sense - as it was off topic.

no, you just have poor understanding of historical-geo-political events...

no insult intended.

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