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Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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Post by joshu »

ekianjo wrote: post #96
QuadmasterXLII wrote: post #2

Of all the forms of immortality, my favorite is participating in a competition in such a brilliant, incorrect way that a rule is permanently added just for you.

> Of all the forms of immortality, my favorite is participating in a competition in such a brilliant, incorrect way that a rule is permanently added just for you. That's precisely why car races are boring these days. Everything is forbidden and over-regulated so there's no space for innovation anymore. Look at F1 and its bloat of regulations.

Probably don’t paint the entire sport with one brush. Lots of racing is very exciting, especially to the people who are doing it (the vast majority of racing is amateur/club/etc.) Bergmeister vs Magnussen wasn’t that long ago…

Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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Post by ajmurmann »

ekianjo wrote: post #96
QuadmasterXLII wrote: post #2

Of all the forms of immortality, my favorite is participating in a competition in such a brilliant, incorrect way that a rule is permanently added just for you.

> Of all the forms of immortality, my favorite is participating in a competition in such a brilliant, incorrect way that a rule is permanently added just for you. That's precisely why car races are boring these days. Everything is forbidden and over-regulated so there's no space for innovation anymore. Look at F1 and its bloat of regulations.

But in F1 it's exciting because you never know what rules they are gonna enforce this time and for whom. /s

Edit: on a more serious note: The regulations are so tight to keep it exciting. Frustratingly, if the regulations are more open, one of the better funded teams will just run away with the best car. That already happened in some seasons, but would be even worse without tight regulations.

Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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Post by sokoloff »

SilasX wrote: post #99
stubish wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you see how fast he is going compared to the other cars? They are going as fast as they can without losing grip and spinning out as they go round the corner. He has the wall supporting him around the corner and could floor the accelerator in top gear.

Okay but why didn’t anyone try this before? They just didn’t think of it? What made it a good idea this time but not any other time if it’s faster?

The 2022 “NextGen” cars are significantly stiffer than prior cars; it’s possible that they are stiff enough to be better able to run the full half lap without getting stuck, but I more suspect no one seriously considered it.

Even with Nextgen cars, it’s a last half-lap move at most.

Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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Post by discardedrefuse »

TulliusCicero wrote: post #70
jefftk wrote: post #56

Reminds me of another example of video-game inspired tactics: Just before he reached the end zone, with 17 seconds remaining, Stokley cut right at 90 degrees and ran across the field. Six seconds drained off the clock before, at last, he meandered across the goal line to score the winning touchdown. For certain football fans, the excitement of a last-minute comeback now commingled with the shock of the familiar: It's…

This is really interesting. The incentive to pull off this kind of move, running the clock down a bit, that was already present. But there's a certain social expectation that you won't game the rules so blatantly, so that's a disincentive. What the existence of video games does, is allow people to do things like this in an environment where social expectations and pressure don't really exist. It's like a psychologica…

> The incentive to pull off this kind of move, running the clock down a bit, that was already present. But there's a certain social expectation that you won't game the rules so blatantly, so that's a disincentive.

Clock management is a pretty big aspect of (American) football strategy and very much expected. I don't think anyone considers it gaming the rules. Just off the top of my head:

- Teams with comfortable leads tend to switch to conservative play calling. This keeps the ball safe and the clock running.

- Inside of 2:00, getting tackled on the field keeps the clock running. But running out of bounds or throwing an incomplete pass will stop the clock. So plays are always chosen to take advantage of this.

- Quarterbacks will spike the ball to quickly the stop the clock (incomplete pass).

- Calling a timeout stops the clock, so teams save these for the 2:00 drill. The 2:00 warning also stops the clocks, teams consider this a free timeout.

- Coaches will call timeout just as a kicker is about to kick a field goal. This is called "freezing the kicker". When timed right, it makes the kicker have to kick it again.

Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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Post by joshu »

ajmurmann wrote: post #102
ekianjo wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Of all the forms of immortality, my favorite is participating in a competition in such a brilliant, incorrect way that a rule is permanently added just for you. That's precisely why car races are boring these days. Everything is forbidden and over-regulated so there's no space for innovation anymore. Look at F1 and its bloat of regulations.

But in F1 it's exciting because you never know what rules they are gonna enforce this time and for whom. /s Edit: on a more serious note: The regulations are so tight to keep it exciting. Frustratingly, if the regulations are more open, one of the better funded teams will just run away with the best car. That already happened in some seasons, but would be even worse without tight regulations.

I have a historic car that ended up banned at Le Mans over rules and caused Lotus to stop competing while at the same Ferrari did not get banned from the same race despite also falling afoul of some different rules. at least according to legend, anyway.

Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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Post by brookst »

liveoneggs wrote: post #66
mcv wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If this means you can take the corner faster, why not just do it all the time and make sure the side of your car is strong enough to withstand it?

one loose panel or an open exit gate or any other of little things and it would have been a serious accident

That was my first thought, but that whole wall should be able to sustain a full on impact from multiple cars in a wreck if there are loose panels or gates it is already a serious failure.

Not to say it couldn’t happen, just that it’s reasonable to assume the wall is designed to support more force than this.

Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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Post by fendy3002 »

londons_explore wrote: post #34
mcv wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If this means you can take the corner faster, why not just do it all the time and make sure the side of your car is strong enough to withstand it?

You could even put two little extra wheels on the door handles...

We mini 4WD now

Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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Post by fendy3002 »

mcv wrote: post #23
dan_pixelflow wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was the last corner of the last lap - hugging the wall damages your car but because he didn't actually need to tap the brakes he just kept on going, round the wall faster than the others.

If this means you can take the corner faster, why not just do it all the time and make sure the side of your car is strong enough to withstand it?

A special move being done in a crucial moment is interesting / amazing.

If it's too effective and everyone start doing it, it loses its charm.

Imagine if in Dota every game only consist of 3 tanks and 2 dps carries because it's too effective, it'll get boring soon.

Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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Post by 6stringmerc »

thereisnospork wrote: post #48
moron4hire wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It probably would violate the external profile standards, even if the regulators wouldn't understand the purpose on first seeing it.

How much camber is allowed on the right wheels though, can you go full hella-flush? Asking for a friend :)

Have a crew member kick in the right place to create a vortex gap and Eraknoplan it?
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