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Re: NYC to require salary ranges be included in job postings

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Post by victor9000 »

barbazoo wrote: post #155
llbeansandrice wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> don't actually know what they would be willing to pay someone. As an employee, sounds like not my fuckin problem. I'm not about to go through 3 phone screens, a take-home test, a full-day onsite, etc. just for the privilege to be low-balled or even worse denied. > I think it will be about $X Oh! So looks like it's not that hard to ball-park a number off the top of your head. I don't get this "how the world really w…

> I'm not about to go through 3 phone screens, a take-home test, a full-day onsite, etc. just for the privilege to be low-balled or even worse denied. Maybe I got lucky but I've always been able to figure out the rough range they were thinking of paying before the first real interview. In case of recruiters, sure, they want to talk to you first and that's 15 minutes you'll never get back. Personally I just don't move…

Yep, just ask "What is the budget for this role?". Yep, it's that simple.

Re: NYC to require salary ranges be included in job postings

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Post by tomrod »

andrewstuart wrote: post #54

I'm a recruiter. I've known for a long time it drives people nuts that job ads don't have salary, or have a wide salary range. The fact is that many employers don't actually know what they would be willing to pay someone . Until they have met them, assessed them, heard what they salary target is and weighed it up against their skills and experience and calibrated it against the team. The conversation almost always go…

Regarding your edit, we know how recruiting works. What people are genuinely upset about is the lack of empathy for the job seeker, who is wasting their time, in the game as you play it (and the strong assumption that this is the only way the game is played).

Re: NYC to require salary ranges be included in job postings

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Post by cheath »

andrewstuart wrote: post #54

I'm a recruiter. I've known for a long time it drives people nuts that job ads don't have salary, or have a wide salary range. The fact is that many employers don't actually know what they would be willing to pay someone . Until they have met them, assessed them, heard what they salary target is and weighed it up against their skills and experience and calibrated it against the team. The conversation almost always go…

Some of the responses here are a classic case of Fundamental Attribution Error - I see a lot of assumptions that imply that the employers must not be adding salaries because they are malicious or bad actors (which, of course there are some). But the overwhelming majority of these employers probably don't even know for themselves the salary that they're willing to pay, since compensation is highly variable based upon the individual's experience and complex market factors.

Should they all have better data, better perspectives, and better job specs? Sure thing. I agree. You'd hire much better people, that's for sure.

On the other hand, should we regulate them into compliance on this matter? Ironically, it seems like a great opportunity to add inefficiency and possibly even have a net negative impact on salaries.

I say, let them ship crappy job descriptions and let the market sort it out.

Re: NYC to require salary ranges be included in job postings

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Post by idontpost »

andrewstuart wrote: post #54

I'm a recruiter. I've known for a long time it drives people nuts that job ads don't have salary, or have a wide salary range. The fact is that many employers don't actually know what they would be willing to pay someone . Until they have met them, assessed them, heard what they salary target is and weighed it up against their skills and experience and calibrated it against the team. The conversation almost always go…

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Re: NYC to require salary ranges be included in job postings

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Post by annoyingnoob »

andrewstuart wrote: post #54

I'm a recruiter. I've known for a long time it drives people nuts that job ads don't have salary, or have a wide salary range. The fact is that many employers don't actually know what they would be willing to pay someone . Until they have met them, assessed them, heard what they salary target is and weighed it up against their skills and experience and calibrated it against the team. The conversation almost always go…

You need to be respectful of everyone's time. If I apply to a position that will never offer me what I want to make then you just wasted my time and yours. You are asking me to be upfront about absolutely everything, I'm asking for one key detail. I do not think that you appreciate my side of this bargain at all. This is not a one-way deal, we need to cooperate and be able to work together toward a solution if this is ever going to work out. I'm choosing to work with you, not choosing you as my dictator. If you are not willing to work with me a little then I'm going to keep looking, your loss not mine.

Re: NYC to require salary ranges be included in job postings

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

> The sweeping New York City rules will apply to almost all companies except for the smallest firms. Any business with at least four workers, assuming at least one of them is based in the city, must include the lowest and highest salaries for any job it posts.

...so, uh, question, because I'm getting increasingly confused about how jurisdiction works.

Let's say Houston passes a law which makes it illegal for companies to disclose salary ranges. I have no idea why Houston would do that, but stupider laws exist.

BigCorp has employees in both Houston and New York City. Heck, BigCorp probably has at least one job which requires alternating between NYC and Houston to meet with different teams. How does BigCorp avoid breaking the law?

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Post by covidiot5 »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #176

> The sweeping New York City rules will apply to almost all companies except for the smallest firms. Any business with at least four workers, assuming at least one of them is based in the city, must include the lowest and highest salaries for any job it posts. ...so, uh, question, because I'm getting increasingly confused about how jurisdiction works. Let's say Houston passes a law which makes it illegal for companie…

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Re: NYC to require salary ranges be included in job postings

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Post by idontpost »

missedthecue wrote: post #168
nathan_compton wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"This is convenient for corporations so suck it up." isn't a very compelling argument. The purpose of the government is to represent the interests of the people in situations where there is sufficient agreement to pass legislation. If your company doesn't like complying with local laws, its easy, just don't look for people in this country. The people have a right to set the terms of exchanges in the marketplace.

That's a fairly uncharitable way to phrase his point. I think what he's getting at is that it is hard for market participants to accurately price goods and services when they are working with insufficient information. If I asked you to tell me how much you'd pay for a shirt, you'd either have to give me a wide range, or start asking questions to understand what you're getting. A formal tux dress shirtfront? A dirty o…

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Re: NYC to require salary ranges be included in job postings

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Post by elliottcarlson »

sithlord wrote: post #96

I saw a posting the other day that had something like, applicable only in Colorado the range is 150,000 - 200,000 - 250,000. A range with 3 numbers is new to me.

Low - Mid - High range isn't uncommon, it's just not as common to see it on a job-listing. Generally you expect someone who is solid in their level to have a compa ratio of 100%, which puts you near the mid part of the band. When you are newer to the level, you would be aligned closer to the low end of the band, and as you progress and near a promotion, you would be edging towards the higher end.

Re: NYC to require salary ranges be included in job postings

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Post by ipaddr »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #176

> The sweeping New York City rules will apply to almost all companies except for the smallest firms. Any business with at least four workers, assuming at least one of them is based in the city, must include the lowest and highest salaries for any job it posts. ...so, uh, question, because I'm getting increasingly confused about how jurisdiction works. Let's say Houston passes a law which makes it illegal for companie…

Have them work from the Florida office and bypass this
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