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Re: SourceHut terms of service updates, cryptocurrency projects to be removed

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Post by colesantiago »

ddevault wrote: post #38
nibbleshifter wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your position, and your platforms position, on cryptocurrency projects is a political position. Kicking out projects over that position is kicking people out over a political difference.

In a sense, you're correct: this is a political position. But hell, so is everything else, including doing nothing, which is a political position in support of the status quo. We have always prohibited malware and bigoted comments, for example, which is a political stance in the same sense. However, I think that we have justified the stance on cryptocurrency pretty well with objectivity rather than opinion, which to…

Political or not, thank you so much Drew for banning these vile crypto projects on sourcehut.

There is no room for them and I respect your position.

Re: SourceHut terms of service updates, cryptocurrency projects to be removed

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Post by arghwhat »

throwaway22032 wrote: post #17

This is disappointing. I'd previously been a big fan of the sourcehut model. I can understand not wanting to be associated with the billions of tinycoin ICO scams or NFTs that are just URL links or whatever else. But to reject things like Bitcoin or Ethereum seems to me to be a denial of reality. Just because it's not useful for you, doesn't make it not useful. For clarity, I will be affected by this change and I don…

There is nothing wrong with you being disappointed, but it is important to clarify that disappointing you does not mean that the service disappoints others.

After all, there is nothing inherently wrong with people having different ideologies, and that must apply to companies too - either the ideology of the owners/operators, or the jurisdiction they reside in. And considering how the vast majority of cryptocurrencies are indeed just vehicles of scam and speculation, I find it perfectly reasonable to just have to send a short message to give a heads up that you are indeed the 1 in a million case worthy of exclusion. Talking to people is not the end of the world, and I doubt it would take more than a short message.

Re: SourceHut terms of service updates, cryptocurrency projects to be removed

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Post by Nathanba »

Terrible decision in my opinion but I'm actually glad that people expose their true feelings like this. It doesn't affect me because I don't host with sourcehut but this just makes it clear who they are and what they stand for. You can easily expect more of these types of bans now, because why not? Do you really think that he wouldn't also ban anti-vaccination information sites? Blogs that host antivaxx content? A crawler that caches anti vaccination content so it doesn't get lost? That's just the most obvious recent example where a critical mass of society has designated something as 'the truth' and everyone who doesn't accept it is bad. I believe this is how he got to his decision about the cryptocurrency ban.

What about code that measures climate information and it happens to measure that global warming is no problem and proudly broadcasts that? Anti-immigration companies? GOP campaign sites? The list goes on and on.

Re: SourceHut terms of service updates, cryptocurrency projects to be removed

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Post by ddevault »

cinntaile wrote: post #42

I don't work on cryptocurrency projects but this arbitrary decision doesn't instill confidence in sourcehut. Very little upside, huge potential downside. Strange business decision. Aren't your users there because they prefer "freedom"?

People use SourceHut for a wide variety of reasons. One of them is confidence in our strong moral compass and our willingness to make the right choices even if it could impact our profit, as contrasted with typical VC-funded operations in the market. I've never really heard anyone talk about SourceHut offering particularly more or less "freedom" than anyone else.

Re: SourceHut terms of service updates, cryptocurrency projects to be removed

#48

Post by ddevault »

alberth wrote: post #46

How much of this is due to not wanting build/pipeline servers getting abused for mining purposes? https://builds.sr.ht/

None: the mining incidents stopped entirely when we started charging for CI and it stopped being profitable to do it.

Re: SourceHut terms of service updates, cryptocurrency projects to be removed

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Post by kragen »

ddevault wrote: post #38
nibbleshifter wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your position, and your platforms position, on cryptocurrency projects is a political position. Kicking out projects over that position is kicking people out over a political difference.

In a sense, you're correct: this is a political position. But hell, so is everything else, including doing nothing, which is a political position in support of the status quo. We have always prohibited malware and bigoted comments, for example, which is a political stance in the same sense. However, I think that we have justified the stance on cryptocurrency pretty well with objectivity rather than opinion, which to…

I would instead say that doing nothing is a political position in support of individual autonomy: users working on cryptocurrency projects if they think that's best, or working against cryptocurrency projects if they think that's best.

Re: SourceHut terms of service updates, cryptocurrency projects to be removed

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Post by exo762 »

timeon wrote: post #24
throwaway22032 wrote: post #17

This is disappointing. I'd previously been a big fan of the sourcehut model. I can understand not wanting to be associated with the billions of tinycoin ICO scams or NFTs that are just URL links or whatever else. But to reject things like Bitcoin or Ethereum seems to me to be a denial of reality. Just because it's not useful for you, doesn't make it not useful. For clarity, I will be affected by this change and I don…

Bitcoin with proof of waste is not just about flavour.

And yet Drew hasn't made an exemption for Ethereum, which does not do proof of work.
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