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Re: SourceHut terms of service updates, cryptocurrency projects to be removed

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It's subjective. For us, it's a question of social impact. Sure, torrenting copyrighted material is illegal, but what's the actual social consequence of it? Little to none. Bittorrent also has a wealth of legitimate use-cases. For cryptocurrency, this is not the case: the social impact is grave, and there are few to no legitimate use-cases for it.

I find it ironic that you're moving from the US to reduce impact of state overreach (compliance), yet want to overimpose on your users.

In many minds Europe is the epitomy of state overreach, the home of pro-consumer anti-business regulation. The truth is of course more nuanced, but this appears to be a move consistent with an owner who believes in consumer protection regulation.

Re: SourceHut terms of service updates, cryptocurrency projects to be removed

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This is disappointing. I'd previously been a big fan of the sourcehut model. I can understand not wanting to be associated with the billions of tinycoin ICO scams or NFTs that are just URL links or whatever else. But to reject things like Bitcoin or Ethereum seems to me to be a denial of reality. Just because it's not useful for you, doesn't make it not useful. For clarity, I will be affected by this change and I don…

Bitcoin with proof of waste is not just about flavour.

Re: SourceHut terms of service updates, cryptocurrency projects to be removed

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To be honest, this is a bit too late i think.

I knew a company from the UK who sold dropshiping websites, then rug-pull ready tokens (+ website), both hosted on sourcehut (with the "critical code" sold with the support). They sold everything six month ago? Solid devs, but the moral wasn't quite there. At least they made really big bucks while it lasted.

Re: SourceHut terms of service updates, cryptocurrency projects to be removed

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Even if any of their projects (or the projects of anybody who's reading these comments) are affected, this is a sign of things to come - kicking projects out for political reasons and moving to the EU means that one never knows what may come next.

We do not kick people out for political differences.

The announcement says:

> These domains are strongly associated with fraudulent activities and high-risk investments which take advantage of people who are suffering from economic hardship and growing global wealth inequality. Few to no legitimate use-cases for this technology have been found...

While presumably you're not kicking people out because they disagree with you on this political question, your motivation for kicking them out is deeply political. You're practicing a "boycott, divestment, and sanctions" approach to cryptocurrency projects, based on a flawed analysis of how those projects affect the structure of the global economic system — an analysis also reflected in your lack of understanding of how dramatically "piracy," largely funded through Bitcoin, has reduced barriers to access to knowledge: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33404025.

If you want to understand how cryptocurrencies affect people suffering from economic hardship and global wealth inequality, read my post from last year on the topic, based on direct personal experience, at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27448744.

The distinction you're drawing between being in favor of cryptocurrency and publishing code that implements cryptocurrency seems to suggest that you don't believe code is speech, because its distribution should be limited in ways that other kinds of speech are not. In turn, people who believe code is speech should be wary of using your service.

More generally, I don't think people who are setting up a software project to do good for the world should have to worry about the level of geopolitical savvy of their project hosting service. If the project hosting service misunderstands some aspect of development economics — maybe they're in favor of import-substitution industrialization or organic farming, and the project is instead supporting export-focused industrialization or industrial fertilizer production — its users shouldn't get their namespace revoked and perhaps then taken over by their political opposition. Not even if they're wrong.

It's a political fact that rich people in Holland only hear about Indonesian Nike factory conditions when they are terrible; they are consequently not in a good position to judge the balance of harms and benefits. Certainly the factory workers are being "taken advantage of" in a way which is possible because they are "suffering from economic hardship and growing global wealth inequality" — but in fact export-focused industrialization has lifted billions of people out of poverty in the last three decades despite the harms it has caused, harms measured in lost eyes and hands rather than just money. (The case against organic farming is much less clear — but still something that should be resolved by the people involved, not overseas infrastructure providers acting on a incomplete understanding founded in political agitprop.)

Re: SourceHut terms of service updates, cryptocurrency projects to be removed

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if any of their projects (or the projects of anybody who's reading these comments) are affected, this is a sign of things to come - kicking projects out for political reasons and moving to the EU means that one never knows what may come next.

We do not kick people out for political differences.

Your position, and your platforms position, on cryptocurrency projects is a political position.

Kicking out projects over that position is kicking people out over a political difference.

Re: SourceHut terms of service updates, cryptocurrency projects to be removed

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Any technology that we built is used for both good and evil. For example, assembly was used to get people on the moon, but also to navigate missiles to kill millions of people. Perl was used to sequence the genome, but also it was the main language that script kiddies used in the 2000s to deface millions of websites. Almost any library written is dual use, from openssl to left-pad. The web itself is used to enable wo…

It's subjective. For us, it's a question of social impact. Sure, torrenting copyrighted material is illegal, but what's the actual social consequence of it? Little to none. Bittorrent also has a wealth of legitimate use-cases. For cryptocurrency, this is not the case: the social impact is grave, and there are few to no legitimate use-cases for it.

It is, indeed, a subjective thing. I personally have given up on cryptocurrency, but I seem to recall (and the absolute worthless rag called Reuters seems to corroborate: https://www.reuters.com/technology/venezuelas-economy-regres...) that Venezuelans found a recourse in crypto after the Venezuelan economy imploded. However that is just one data point, and the utter lack of any real wins aside from that would seem to agree with your statement that there are few legitimate use-cases.

Re: SourceHut terms of service updates, cryptocurrency projects to be removed

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That's unfortunately a terrible position to take, and a shitty precedent for the platform, but whatever, it's their prerogative. I liked sourcehut, but now I'll have to recommend against using it.

It's a pretty ordinary position to take right now, I believe.
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