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Re: SourceHut terms of service updates, cryptocurrency projects to be removed

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Post by Herbstluft »

I'm not a Sourcehut user (yet), but the more I hear and read about it, the more it seems like the creators and owner(s) care.

Glad to read this. The whole topic of cryptocurrencies and blockchain has become a good marker to identify companies that actually care about their users, technology, and the product they build.

Another good example here would be the (highly skilled) devs over at Valve [1]. Not just when it comes to cryptocurrencies, but many other things they do as well, like having the steam deck (mostly) open and Linux based, which would probably cause violent reactions from devs at most other companies. (Let's hope they never decide to become a publicly traded company...).

On the opposite end we have the corporations and devs who just chase after the next buzzword to run after investors and to appease her holiness, the stock market.

What I am trying to say is that a clear pattern has emerged when it comes to different companies and their approach to "blockchain technologies".

[1]:https://www.eurogamer.net/valve-bans-blockchain-and-nft-game...

Re: SourceHut terms of service updates, cryptocurrency projects to be removed

#13

Post by ddevault »

fazfq wrote: post #10
ddevault wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, their comment doesn't necessarily indicate if any of their projects would be affected, but rather that this change generally undermines their trust in SourceHut. I'm sorry to hear that this is the case.

Even if any of their projects (or the projects of anybody who's reading these comments) are affected, this is a sign of things to come - kicking projects out for political reasons and moving to the EU means that one never knows what may come next.

We do not kick people out for political differences.

Re: SourceHut terms of service updates, cryptocurrency projects to be removed

#14

Post by tifadg1 »

ddevault wrote: post #3
throwaway71271 wrote: post #2

Any technology that we built is used for both good and evil. For example, assembly was used to get people on the moon, but also to navigate missiles to kill millions of people. Perl was used to sequence the genome, but also it was the main language that script kiddies used in the 2000s to deface millions of websites. Almost any library written is dual use, from openssl to left-pad. The web itself is used to enable wo…

It's subjective. For us, it's a question of social impact. Sure, torrenting copyrighted material is illegal, but what's the actual social consequence of it? Little to none. Bittorrent also has a wealth of legitimate use-cases. For cryptocurrency, this is not the case: the social impact is grave, and there are few to no legitimate use-cases for it.

I find it ironic that you're moving from the US to reduce impact of state overreach (compliance), yet want to overimpose on your users.

Re: SourceHut terms of service updates, cryptocurrency projects to be removed

#16

Post by _aavaa_ »

Herbstluft wrote: post #11

I'm not a Sourcehut user (yet), but the more I hear and read about it, the more it seems like the creators and owner(s) care. Glad to read this. The whole topic of cryptocurrencies and blockchain has become a good marker to identify companies that actually care about their users, technology, and the product they build. Another good example here would be the (highly skilled) devs over at Valve [1]. Not just when it co…

Seems conspicuous of valve given tf2 hats and cs:go skins.

Re: SourceHut terms of service updates, cryptocurrency projects to be removed

#17

Post by throwaway22032 »

This is disappointing. I'd previously been a big fan of the sourcehut model.

I can understand not wanting to be associated with the billions of tinycoin ICO scams or NFTs that are just URL links or whatever else.

But to reject things like Bitcoin or Ethereum seems to me to be a denial of reality. Just because it's not useful for you, doesn't make it not useful.

For clarity, I will be affected by this change and I don't at all believe my code is socially negative, but I'm not interested in justifying myself. My favourite ice cream flavour is not yours.

In the end, Git is decentralized and running cgit or whatever is pretty simple stuff. I just had high hopes for sourcehut.

On a long enough timescale I suppose anyone lets you down.

Re: SourceHut terms of service updates, cryptocurrency projects to be removed

#18

Post by VWWHFSfQ »

tifadg1 wrote: post #14
ddevault wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's subjective. For us, it's a question of social impact. Sure, torrenting copyrighted material is illegal, but what's the actual social consequence of it? Little to none. Bittorrent also has a wealth of legitimate use-cases. For cryptocurrency, this is not the case: the social impact is grave, and there are few to no legitimate use-cases for it.

I find it ironic that you're moving from the US to reduce impact of state overreach (compliance), yet want to overimpose on your users.

Cryptocurrency developers are free to exercise the same rights and move their projects to somewhere else. But I agree it's very stupid. I paid for a year of sourcehut for my account that I never used just to help the project. I'll just delete it at this point.

Re: SourceHut terms of service updates, cryptocurrency projects to be removed

#19

Post by ddevault »

tifadg1 wrote: post #14
ddevault wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's subjective. For us, it's a question of social impact. Sure, torrenting copyrighted material is illegal, but what's the actual social consequence of it? Little to none. Bittorrent also has a wealth of legitimate use-cases. For cryptocurrency, this is not the case: the social impact is grave, and there are few to no legitimate use-cases for it.

I find it ironic that you're moving from the US to reduce impact of state overreach (compliance), yet want to overimpose on your users.

We're moving from the US for many reasons; I don't think we ever mentioned reducing the impact of state overreach.

Re: SourceHut terms of service updates, cryptocurrency projects to be removed

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Post by Herbstluft »

_aavaa_ wrote: post #16
Herbstluft wrote: post #11

I'm not a Sourcehut user (yet), but the more I hear and read about it, the more it seems like the creators and owner(s) care. Glad to read this. The whole topic of cryptocurrencies and blockchain has become a good marker to identify companies that actually care about their users, technology, and the product they build. Another good example here would be the (highly skilled) devs over at Valve [1]. Not just when it co…

Seems conspicuous of valve given tf2 hats and cs:go skins.

My comment is undoubtedly an oversimplification, there are tons of things to criticize Valve for. Microtransactions are a plague unleashed by them, for one.

I was mostly trying to keep the comparison limited to the topic of cryptocurrencies, and the behavioural patterns observed in tech companies when it comes to them.

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