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Re: Find your Twitter friends on Mastodon

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Post by cgh »

linuxhansl wrote: post #75

Heresy: Why do we need a replacement for Twitter? There was a world and a life before Twitter, and there is one without Twitter as well. I deleted my Twitter account about a year ago and have not missed anything. People and topics I am interested in I can updated on by many different means.

I follow various scientists, authors and so forth and I like to read their thoughts or see their recommended reading. And as silly as it sounds, it's wild to see eg William Gibson and Gerry Conway, two guys responsible for some of my formative adolescent reading, interact with one another at random.

Re: Find your Twitter friends on Mastodon

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fleddr wrote: post #141

Twitter's appeal is outrage and controversy. Their users are addicted to it, even if they don't care to admit it. That's why no significant migration to Mastodon will take place. Even if you do manage to lift and shift your bubble (you won't), you'll then find yourself in a calm and slow place where nothing happens. For a bubble to exist and thrive, it needs a common enemy. With the enemy removed, it collapses. Every…

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Re: Find your Twitter friends on Mastodon

#153

Post by [deleted] »

anigbrowl wrote: post #106

When are Mastodon stans going to figure out that the reason people like Twitter is that it's (nominally) flat and you can interact with anyone unless they've blocked you for some reason? It's easy to build silos, which is what most instances are. Mastodon just reinvented single sign-on. It's not a terrible thing to build, but whenever you make a product that's just imitating someone else (Twitter has 'tweets' but Mas…

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Re: Find your Twitter friends on Mastodon

#154

Post by silisili »

Nokinside wrote: post #148
fleddr wrote: post #141

Twitter's appeal is outrage and controversy. Their users are addicted to it, even if they don't care to admit it. That's why no significant migration to Mastodon will take place. Even if you do manage to lift and shift your bubble (you won't), you'll then find yourself in a calm and slow place where nothing happens. For a bubble to exist and thrive, it needs a common enemy. With the enemy removed, it collapses. Every…

> That's why no significant migration to Mastodon will take place. This sounds great. If we can leave 99% behind and get all substantive people, like John Carlos Baez, into Mastodon, its the best possible world. People think that all partitions are between people with different opinions, but that's not always the case. Sometimes people with substance from every corner flock into the same arena. For a little time ever…

Google had that. I don't even remember it's name now...plus maybe?

Seemed a lot of tech people wrote there. Very peaceful, no outrage. It died. I think OP is right.

Re: Find your Twitter friends on Mastodon

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Post by [deleted] »

masukomi wrote: post #42

ugh. this has a killer flaw > Looking for Mastodon users progress, scanned 867 of 867 users you follow on Twitter. Discovered 0 Twitter users on Mastodon who have previously linked their Twitter and Mastodon accounts by logging into Twitodon. WHO HAVE PREVIOUSLY LINKED ACCOUNTS... BY LOGGING IN TO TWITODON the odds of that having happened for any notable subset are so low as to make this useless.

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Re: Find your Twitter friends on Mastodon

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Post by [deleted] »

twblalock wrote: post #13

Doesn't this prove the value to users of a centralized platform over a federated platform? The centralized platform made it very easy to find people. Now people who are moving to a federated platform miss the value of centralization, so they are writing a tool that will leverage that value and import it into the federated platform. Maybe if Mastodon was a centralized Twitter-style platform it would be more usable, an…

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Re: Find your Twitter friends on Mastodon

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[deleted] wrote: post #153
anigbrowl wrote: post #106

When are Mastodon stans going to figure out that the reason people like Twitter is that it's (nominally) flat and you can interact with anyone unless they've blocked you for some reason? It's easy to build silos, which is what most instances are. Mastodon just reinvented single sign-on. It's not a terrible thing to build, but whenever you make a product that's just imitating someone else (Twitter has 'tweets' but Mas…

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Re: Find your Twitter friends on Mastodon

#158

Post by teawrecks »

colesantiago wrote: post #83
p1necone wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Email is decentralized. It's mature enough that there's a bunch of trusted providers out there and you can use it without caring about the technical details, it's basically a perfect example of a successful mature decentralized service.

many people don't care that it is decentralised, hence gmail, an open protocol is irrelevant. In mastodon's case decentralisation is a hindrance since they want centralisation back. email isn't a social network and lots people outside of HN don't self host them as such.

Gmail isn't a protocol, nor is it open.

People don't self host email because 1) the protocol doesn't make it easy to deal with incoming spam on a small scale, and 2) giants like gmail tend to automatically flag unique email domains as suspicious. Which is a valid criticism of the federated model, or rather the people using it.

If more people found value in decentralization, in theory they would also be more critical of their node management, opting to reject anti-competitive behavior in a democratic way. Unfortunately, for democracy to work, citizens have to be educated and fight for it. If they don't, it's easy to have centralized, ostensibly totalitarian walled gardens.

We just need to make sure fediverse accounts are easily transferable between nodes in a standardized way, something I don't think mastodon does well, and email doesn't do at all.

Re: Find your Twitter friends on Mastodon

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Post by soundnote »

colesantiago wrote: post #85
ttepasse wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That hypothetical was the case: back in 2007/2008 people of the blogosphere slowly stopped blogging and started tweeting. And if you had a good but suddenly more empty feedreader you’d then had to follow the great migration and re-find those people on Twitter.

this means that centralisation works better?

It depends on the thing at hand. Some things have value because others use them. Chat apps tend towards monopolies because of this.

Email's just so damned old everyone uses the standard and it kind of dodges the issue.

Email's also structurally a bit different - it's a set of one-way sends to select recipients, with chats you moreso go to a place and read the place's signboard.

You could in principle just use mailing lists under the hood instead if the UI wasn't garbage.

Re: Find your Twitter friends on Mastodon

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Post by fleddr »

Nokinside wrote: post #148
fleddr wrote: post #141

Twitter's appeal is outrage and controversy. Their users are addicted to it, even if they don't care to admit it. That's why no significant migration to Mastodon will take place. Even if you do manage to lift and shift your bubble (you won't), you'll then find yourself in a calm and slow place where nothing happens. For a bubble to exist and thrive, it needs a common enemy. With the enemy removed, it collapses. Every…

> That's why no significant migration to Mastodon will take place. This sounds great. If we can leave 99% behind and get all substantive people, like John Carlos Baez, into Mastodon, its the best possible world. People think that all partitions are between people with different opinions, but that's not always the case. Sometimes people with substance from every corner flock into the same arena. For a little time ever…

"For a little time everything is good..."

I hear what you're saying. There used to be a time and place where perhaps you could join some niche, a "non-political" one if you will.

That barely holds up these days. People do not separate their politics from the niche topic, it's all intersectional and performative. Absurd examples are the "knitting wars" and "noodle lady".

Besides constant outrage, many topics are engagement-farmed.

I've said it before: Twitter rewards exactly the wrong thing. Reasonable and good faith people keep losing. And yet when I come back to my original point, in case they do make things fair and more calm, a major appeal is lost.

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