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Wiring my home with fiber

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Re: Wiring my home with fiber

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Post by voidwtf »

runjake wrote: post #5

This article is great overall, but there is some stuff you should do differently, if you're wanting to follow in the author's footsteps: 1. Just use UPC connectors everywhere unless you have really good reasons not to. 2. Use single mode fiber (SMF) everywhere, including internal wiring. SMF is infinitely scalable for future needs, multimode (MMF) is not. These days the cost differences for cabling and optics is negl…

Is there a best practice for which bidi direction to choose for which device type?

i.e. I assume you don't want to just wing it for every link, so do people typically choose to use all A/B on the switch side, and all B/A on the desktop/server side? If I were walking into a business, not having setup their network, what direction would I expect to need on the desktop/server side?

Re: Wiring my home with fiber

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Post by jagrsw »

sschueller wrote: post #102
jagrsw wrote: post #98

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I use the Feller one - https://www.feller.ch/de/Produktangebot/Kommunikations-und-N... - and it's indeed LC/APC. My setup is much simpler - I get 25Gbit/s from init7 to Mikrotik CCR2004 https://mikrotik.com/product/ccr2004_1g_12s_2xs and then distribute it to 2x1Gbit access points, and use the other SFP28 port to power my PC (in another room) via the Intel E810 card. I use the Feller fiber extension cable (20m) and b…

Very nice, how much does one of those plates cost? I can't find any prices easily.

IIRC ~70CHF for the outlet (which only works with the Feller electrical wall outlets AFAIK) + 10CHF (RJ45 module) + 20 CHF (single-port LC/APC module).

The cable extension is expensive, 150CHF or so for 20m, but you'd probably need it for this outlet because it's specially designed so it can be attached to the LC/APC module manually (no splicing). Something like Swisscom's ClickLC, just a different system.

Re: Wiring my home with fiber

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Post by eertami »

yrgulation wrote: post #74

This is likely not useful in most west european homes (even gigabit connections are unheard of in the uk, 10 megs being advertised as “superfast”, let alone tens of gigs). But still a fun project!

That's because the UK is way behind mainland Europe in this regard. My previous house in a very busy area of London had 80mbps max...

However in a small town in Switzerland we have 25Gbps available. The UK could be in this position, but Thatcher happened unfortunately, and the project was canned.

Re: Wiring my home with fiber

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Post by neurostimulant »

dale_glass wrote: post #67
Salgat wrote: post #25

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I have 1gbps fiber and it's extremely rare for me to come across a server that supports anything close to that bandwidth. At 10gbps you're able to upload 500GB/hour. For home use this seems extremely unlikely, even if you're using this as part of your job. Even my 4K surveillence cameras only require 20mbps each, that's 50 4k cameras to saturate a 1gbps line.

I think of >1 GBps speeds as something that serves burst rather than streaming needs. The use case isn't "I need it to watch youtube", but "I want to be able to restore from backup in hours rather than days", or "I want to play the latest Doom today and not tomorrow". Eg, say you're backing up your data to a remote site. Great idea, but what if you need a restore, how long will that take? Downloading say, 100 TB on a…

That would only works if the other end can push 25gbps as well. I wonder what's the maximum throughput of various cloud storage services commonly used for off site backups (S3, B2, etc). Would they artificially limit the max bandwidth or allow you to go as fast as possible?

Re: Wiring my home with fiber

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Post by mschuster91 »

bombcar wrote: post #96
mschuster91 wrote: post #55

> My ISP plans on proving 100gbits in about 2 years so I don’t need pull new fiber if I decide to upgrade. Jesus. Meanwhile, here in Germany, right in the center of Munich the best I can get is 100/40, because while there is FTTB buildout, the last 20m in the building go through the telephone wiring from the late 80s.

If you really want it, and are willing to pay, you can often negotiate with the building owner to get the last 20m run (up to and including conduit hidden on the outside of the building, etc). If enough people in the building care, it might even be relatively cheap.

The latter is the problem. Half the people in the building are old, the other half of them are happy with the way it is - I'm the only IT guy. Might be possible to pull fiber through the conduits, but not sure if the Mnet FTTB box can actually give me fiber - I think it's a miniature DSLAM only.

Re: Wiring my home with fiber

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Post by matthewmacleod »

yrgulation wrote: post #74

This is likely not useful in most west european homes (even gigabit connections are unheard of in the uk, 10 megs being advertised as “superfast”, let alone tens of gigs). But still a fun project!

About 70% of UK homes have access to a gigabit connection through either fibre or the Virgin Media HFC network. FTTP coverage is about 40% nationwide. It’s not that rare.

Re: Wiring my home with fiber

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Post by tass »

toast0 wrote: post #82
lucb1e wrote: post #63

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Do I understand correctly you're proposing to just run it on the outside of walls/ceilings? How would you ever again close doors that it needs to go through? My aesthetic requirements are basically zero (to the dismay of my partner indeed; we meet in the middle) but I do want to be able to practically use the apartment still.

> How would you ever again close doors that it needs to go through? Most interior doors have a gap between the bottom of the door and the top of the floor, and you can cable in the gap if you don't mind the look. If the threshold is carpetted, you can often squish the wire into the seam where the carpet meets the door frame. You can get one, maybe two, runs into a room that way, so don't put your central switch in a…

I’m picturing this as a tripping hazard, unless there’s some kind of well to shove the cable into (like your carpet example).

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Post by tchaffee »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #100
latchkey wrote: post #66

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I'm currently in the process of literally tearing down walls in my old house (built in the 40's). I used to fear smashing into walls. Once you do a bit of drywall and mud yourself, you realize it isn't that big of a deal. Everything I've learned has been off YT videos and there are some excellent channels with all of the professional tips and tricks. It isn't rocket science by a long shot.

I’ve done a lot of drywall work and I still avoid it whenever possible. Doing basic drywall and paint isn’t rocket science, but getting a professional level fit and finish actually takes a lot of practice and experience. It’s also a completely different experience when you’re trying to match old specialty paints from a previous homeowner, blending repairs to match the wall texture, and other complexities that don’t s…

Use an abrasive sponge instead of sandpaper. No dust.

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Post by _zoltan_ »

akvadrako wrote: post #108
latchkey wrote: post #66

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I'm currently in the process of literally tearing down walls in my old house (built in the 40's). I used to fear smashing into walls. Once you do a bit of drywall and mud yourself, you realize it isn't that big of a deal. Everything I've learned has been off YT videos and there are some excellent channels with all of the professional tips and tricks. It isn't rocket science by a long shot.

I agree it isn't rocket science, but plastering if one of those things best left to professionals, much more so than plumbing or electrical for instance. They usually make near minimum wage, are just so much faster and produce a better result. I've started plastering a few of my walls and after wasting a couple days doing a few square meters ended up hiring a couple guys to do the rest of the house. There is just no…

Here in Switzerland it's 10 CHF / square meter for white and 15-20 CHF / square meter for colour walls plus transport plus recycling plus material.

I wouldn't call this cheap :-)

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Post by _zoltan_ »

dekhn wrote: post #88
latchkey wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm currently in the process of literally tearing down walls in my old house (built in the 40's). I used to fear smashing into walls. Once you do a bit of drywall and mud yourself, you realize it isn't that big of a deal. Everything I've learned has been off YT videos and there are some excellent channels with all of the professional tips and tricks. It isn't rocket science by a long shot.

Yep, this was one of my great enlightenments: no matter how good or professional a wall looks, it's really just drywall mounted on wood, some cracks sealed, and then painted over. When the walls are off in the house is the best time to get anything done. Sometimes I don't even want to put the walls back on- for example, an unfinished garage with exposed studs is very convenient.

Maybe where you live. All of our walls (and I mean all) are solid concrete.
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