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Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by djillionsmix » Sun, Oct 30, 2022, 1:03 PM UTC

socialismisok wrote: post #346

bakugo wrote: post #329

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Funny, I was expecting you to come up with some contrived justification as to why racism is totally different depending on what race it's against, like all leftists do, and you did exactly that.

I disagree, I believe racism, discrimination, and prejudice are all separate concepts. Prejudice is the internal feeling that another group is inferior. Nearly all of the tweets above exhibited prejudice. Discrimination is acting on that prejudice. Feeling someone is inferior is one thing, acting on it is a notable different thing. Again, nearly all the tweets there were discriminatory. No disagreements from me. Here…

Nonwhite races have plenty of power.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by socialismisok » Sun, Oct 30, 2022, 2:35 PM UTC

djillionsmix wrote: post #501

socialismisok wrote: post #346

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I disagree, I believe racism, discrimination, and prejudice are all separate concepts. Prejudice is the internal feeling that another group is inferior. Nearly all of the tweets above exhibited prejudice. Discrimination is acting on that prejudice. Feeling someone is inferior is one thing, acting on it is a notable different thing. Again, nearly all the tweets there were discriminatory. No disagreements from me. Here…

Nonwhite races have plenty of power.

History and data disagrees. When did Redlining end in the US, is it likely that people who suffered it now have less wealth, or passed on less wealth to their children?

What about sentencing for prison? Or discipline in school? Or rejection of job applications? All of which have favorable outcomes for white people.

The point is that white folks benefit from systemic advantages (usually).

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by ncallaway » Sun, Oct 30, 2022, 3:31 PM UTC

xigoi wrote: post #473

ncallaway wrote: post #373

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> but at the same time public is free to criticise Twitter for said moderation policy and the way it's applied I certainly never argued that the public should not be allowed to criticize Twitter.

> If you want to say things on their platform, you have to follow their rules. This implies that rules set up by social media sihes are sacred and shôldn't be questioned.

> > If you want to say things on their platform, you have to follow their rules.

> This implies that rules set up by social media sites are sacred and shouldn't be questioned.

It simply does not imply that.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by adultSwim » Mon, Oct 31, 2022, 4:20 PM UTC

canistista wrote: post #309

MollyRealized wrote: post #304

For what it is worth, I am a trans person. I believe Babylon Bee should've been suspended not because of any moral issue but because Twitter was not a governmental entity, and thus had any right to set policies as preconditions for its users' use of the service. No existing social media company is a public communications carrier. I wouldn't argue for the DNC having a right to have a Parler account, either. I'm a poor…

Parler would let the DNC on their site because it supports open debate. Using a powerful tech tool to shut off one side of a debate has led to young girls being injured for life trying to compete with men in sports like volleyball. Or cutting their breasts off when they are 15 because there is no other side to argue against it.

It's quite worrying to me that Lia Thomas is much more well known than Rem'mie Fells.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by Shared404 » Fri, Nov 04, 2022, 9:49 PM UTC

MichaelCollins wrote: post #499

Shared404 wrote: post #364

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> I have never been called "cis" except by people with antagonistic tones trying to get a rise out of me. I can tell you from personal experience that this says more about you than the word. The majority of people in my circle would self describe as cis, and most people I interact with would self identify as cis if the meaning was explained to them.

> I can tell you from personal experience that this says more about you than the word. Backhanded insults like this won't convince me that I'm wrong. On the contrary, it shows me that you do intend to insult and that the word is in fact a slur.

I did intend to insult you slightly with that phrase, I apologize. I was hotheaded and in the wrong for that.

However, it is not an insult at cis people, but people who behave in a way that would get cis used in a conversation against them - which usually takes place in a circumstance where someone who is not trans is telling someone who is trans that they know more about their life than the person in question.

The reason cisness is relevant here is because much like I as a white person will never be able to _fully_ understand a black persons lived in experience, a non-trans person will never be able to _fully_ understand a trans persons experience, and it is _incredibly_ frustrating being told something that is objectively false, and having people who misunderstand the situation being in charge of your situation.