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Post by postultimate »

klyrs wrote: post #50
Overtonwindow wrote: post #35

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The far-left fights ideas it does not like with censorship and cancellation. The far-right is more aggressive at defending their beliefs. One says you must be silenced, the other says come at me bro.

Drag story hour is speech. Far right activists have been showing up and physically assaulting people to silence them, moderate right politicians are trying to pass laws against them or simply defund libraries to silence the speech they find repugnant. So called bastions of free speech: Gab, Parler, Truth: they all silence anything to the left of their worldview.

Drag story hour is involving children in your fetish.

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Post by mcphage »

whoooooo123 wrote: post #21

FWIW, Elon tweeted this today: > To be super clear, we have not yet made any changes to Twitter’s content moderation policies https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1586149451348910081 So it's not clear why these supposedly banned groups are now supposedly able to rejoin without consequence? I suppose "not changing the policies" isn't synonymous with "continuing to enforce the stated policies".

The content moderation policies are the same. The policy enforcement policies may have had some adjustments.

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Post by klyrs »

gfsdgfsdgfsdg wrote: post #55
felix_n wrote: post #53

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There are literally attacks against the Asian community everyday but these attacks aren't reported in the national news.

I keep reading about them in the national news. A quick google for "Asian hate crime" gets me articles from NBC, CNN, new york times, the guardian, CBC, the Toronto Star, PubMed, the Brookings institute, nyc.gov, and justice.gov; that's just the first page.

I'd suggest your bubble as the issue, but you're clearly aware of this somehow. Did you learn about this on a news site that convinced you that other news sources are failing to report on this issue depsite evidence to the contrary?

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Post by [deleted] »

postultimate wrote: post #71
klyrs wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Drag story hour is speech. Far right activists have been showing up and physically assaulting people to silence them, moderate right politicians are trying to pass laws against them or simply defund libraries to silence the speech they find repugnant. So called bastions of free speech: Gab, Parler, Truth: they all silence anything to the left of their worldview.

Drag story hour is involving children in your fetish.

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Re: Banned British far-right figures return to Twitter within hours of takeover

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Post by cbeach »

fragmede wrote: post #10
cbeach wrote: post #2

No one is forcing us to follow these figures on Twitter or vote for their party. Let the party members say what they like within the law. Debunk if it need be, and let adults decide for themselves what the truth is. If authoritarians try to stop us hearing from a political party, they remove our agency. And we don’t like that. Ever heard of the Streisand Effect?

Who's gonna do that debunking though? You? For every young man that manages to receive the message that the Holocaust didn't happen and it's all lies, and decides to hear that garbage as gospel; you're volunteering to deprogram each and every one of them? Because that's the issue, the lack of debunking. We couldn't even get people to hear there aren't microchips in the vaccine, or that we've been to the moon. More st…

Consider the mind of someone who might believe conspiracy theories like Holocaust denial.

Do you think such a person would be more or less likely to believe in the Holocaust if they found out that all Holocaust deniers had been systematically silenced by the forces that be?

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Post by cbeach »

amadeuspagel wrote: post #15
prirun wrote: post #7

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Ever heard of the Illusory truth effect? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_truth_effect

Perhaps something that should make you more skeptical of your beliefs, in the name of which you want to censor other beliefs.

Quality counter-argument. Kudos.

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Post by cbeach »

mola wrote: post #68
cbeach wrote: post #2

No one is forcing us to follow these figures on Twitter or vote for their party. Let the party members say what they like within the law. Debunk if it need be, and let adults decide for themselves what the truth is. If authoritarians try to stop us hearing from a political party, they remove our agency. And we don’t like that. Ever heard of the Streisand Effect?

Ever heard of Hitler? They let him talk, and talk and talk, it ended up with most of my ancestors dead. Some speech calls for violence and dehumanization against minorities, it should be banned.

Indeed, and Musk wants to ensure that such illegal speech is banned on Twitter.

He has made a clear distinction that the limits of free speech should be governed by law as opposed to by opaque private interests.

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Post by sn0w_crash »

JSchmoe wrote: post #65
sn0w_crash wrote: post #61

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Darrell brooks drove a car into a crowd of people.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/darr... Never heard of this so looked it up. Dude had an argument with his ex while in a car, hit her a few times, she managed to escape, he drove into a parade some time later. The motive behind the attack is unknown. What does this have to do with the parent post?

Brooks was an extremist who regularly posted that “Hitler was right about the Jews”

This has everything to do with the parent comment’s insinuation that political extremism is only a one way street.

Also you conveniently left out the part where he murdered 6 people.

“He drove into a parade some time later.” Unreal.

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Post by toss1 »

kbelder wrote: post #64
toss1 wrote: post #11

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^ ^ ^ THIS! ^ ^ ^ The one thing a tolerant society can NOT tolerate is intolerance itself. If allowed to set root, intolerance will take over and destroy the tolerant society. The intolerant will be loud and aggressive, working to silence everyone else. Eventually, it's over. Just like the fact that people who want to live self-determining lives in a self-governing democracy must be always better armed and prepared t…

That, plus the ability to define intolerance, gives authoritarian control.

Nice glib content-free answer.

So, you just give up?

With any good faith effort, intolerance is pretty easy to define.

But, if you are talking in bad faith, there's 1000 arguments.

All authority is not authoritarian. That is why democracy was invented. In order to provide a self-correcting system. But yes, Churchill was right when he said that "Democracy is the worst of all forms of government, except for all others that have been tried."

Total free-for-all has repeatedly been shown to rapidly devolve in every case. Can you show a single un-moderated forum that survives over time, or a single unregulated "free" society without authority that does not fail?

So, can you show one of these no-authority forums or societies, or do you have a better suggestion than to just give up?

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Post by errantmind »

brnt wrote: post #58
errantmind wrote: post #30

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Advertisers force us to do nothing at all. Memes similarly force nothing. This is a bastardization of the word 'force'. Either people have rights or they don't. We don't need the government to pick and choose how individuals express themselves in order to protect others, not because it doesn't make sense, but because there is no way to do it without a Ministry of Truth, which is arguably even worse. Remember, freedom…

Nothing is black and white. People being rational is fiction. Advertisers force us to eat shit: the very existence of mass media depends on it. In functioning democracies, the government represents the people and thus anything it enforces is by order of its people. Only in crypto dictatorships does your argument hold. My solution then is to either evacuate or improve the quality of your representation.

Many people being gullible and herd-oriented doesn't equate to them being forced to consume products.

I'm not forced to eat shit. Neither are you. If you disagree please reference the shit I'm being forced to eat, or products I'm being forced to buy. I'll then point out whether or not your statements have any standing.

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