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Post by lelanthran »

concinds wrote: post #368
Waterluvian wrote: post #264

I got a 7 day ban for a tweet that included “political suicide pact” as an idiom. I then got permanently banned for including the line, “sending their children to die in Ukraine” in a tweet. The “appeal” button causes me to get a denied email within one minute. This tells me no humans are in the loop on any of this. I don’t think these tweets were controversial or require any diversity of viewpoints. They just requir…

Twitter ignored multiple reports of personal threats directed at me specifically (involving concentration camps and general death threats, etc.) "This tweet doesn't violate Twitter rules." People I didn't know, who I had zero negative interactions with before. That was way before Musk. You just can't have human moderation at that scale. They have to brainstorm how to prevent these tweets in the first place, rather th…

> Twitter ignored multiple reports of personal threats directed at me specifically (involving concentration camps and general death threats, etc.) "This tweet doesn't violate Twitter rules."

I want a site where I can see all these screenshots of tweets with Twitters "This tweet doesn't violate Twitter rules" in the shot.

Pair it with another site that has screenshots of tweets that were banned, that obviously don't violate the rules as shown in the first site.

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Post by erehweb »

jedberg wrote: post #628
bmitc wrote: post #543

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, I see. I have no idea. My intuition is that it's like a standard loan, as in he can do whatever he wants but if he doesn't pay it back then they'll come after his other assets he supposedly put up as collateral. That's just me guessing. I have no idea how that works at that scale of financing.

When you owe the bank 1 million dollars, you have a problem. When you owe the bank 1 billion dollars, the bank has a problem.

The bank has much less of a problem if you have 20 billion dollars, though.

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Post by fleddr »

hackerlight wrote: post #549
peyton wrote: post #514

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a distinction some guy just made up not too long ago. I can see why some people might not consider it a fact of the universe.

All categories are arbitrary distinctions that someone made up at some point, including the categories of biological sex, race, and your birth name. At the very least it would be bullying behavior for me to single you out and call you a different name or different racial group to what you actually are (as defined by the constructs that society has agreed upon).

Biological sex is not a construct, it's a simple observable reality. Biological sex is factual and immutable.

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Post by dleslie »

concinds wrote: post #525
dleslie wrote: post #385

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Ok, I bit. At 6:50 he explicitly decides to "call out" all Jewish people, and makes a claim that he's a victim of their behaviour. > "And what I'm doing, I'm calling out the Jewish community as a whole to say. People say to me, all, we grew up on Ye. Talk to your brother, ask him why is Ye upset? Everybody, all they [the Jewish Community] want to do is silence and shoot the messenger." That's plainly antisemitism.

I'm Jewish (feel free to believe me or not) and I disagree. I choose to ignore the overt bigotry and focus on addressing the underlying distrust. What he said represents quite common black nationalist views and were espoused by most Black Power activists in the 60s. Those views are still highly relevant in the black community today, due to things like this[0], promoted by popular thinkers like Prof. James Small. Yes,…

> What he said represents quite common black nationalist views and were espoused by most Black Power activists in the 60s. Those views are still highly relevant in the black community today, due to things like this[0], promoted by popular thinkers like Prof. James Small. Yes, they can be hurtful, but I believe the proper response is to make the sports and music contracts transparent and re-do them so they don't screw over black talent, as Kanye says, to address the underlying distrust, and rebuild proper ties between the Jewish and Black communities.

This reads not like you disagree with whether or not its antisemitic, but rather that you're justifying tolerance of some antisemitism on the basis of it being a common black nationalist view.

Which I don't find acceptable. I won't tolerate ethnic or racial prejudice.

> I still view it as my (and our) duty to address those grievances; we can address the distrust between communities afterwards once they're solved.

That's entirely possible without also tolerating hatred.

We can say both that Ye is wrong to be antisemitic _and_ agree that the music industry is exploitative.

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Post by lelanthran »

throwaway4837 wrote: post #658

I would imagine a uniform distribution of people from across racial, political, age, and socio-economic classes would be a good start. The theory is that if a moderation council is mostly well-off, white liberals, then their decisions will more likely contain bias from those sorts of people. A moderation council needs people of various ages, races, and political backgrounds so that the net bias in their decisions is…

> I would also imagine that a dozen people isn't enough to achieve a good enough distribution over these variables. They might need a more scaled moderation approach that involves potentially hundreds of individuals, like a jury, but much bigger.

I like that; add in "banning decisions must be unanimous" and I think you'll have better decisions.

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Post by hidudeurcool »

mikkergp wrote: post #7

This sort of justifies the viewpoint that despite all his bluster, Elon will probably run Twitter the way a "reasonable executive" would. Not just release the hounds. Keep the advertisers happy, but try to reduce the reliance on advertisers. Keep moderating content to reduce abuse, maybe eliminate the high profile banning but a person on the ground will have largely the same experience. (probably less action on more…

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Post by fleddr »

klipt wrote: post #462
DoctorNick wrote: post #350

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> Babylon Bee being suspended was one of the dumber things the previous Twitter rules had done. It's a satire site, it's right leaning, nothing in the piece they said was hateful or even an unpopular view. They didn’t even make a joke. They just called trans woman a man. It was hate speech, pure and simple. I am very afraid for the future of twitter now. Hate speech is going to run rampant on that platform now.

It's funny how "KillAllMen" trended on Twitter and that wasn't considered hate speech, but calling a woman a man is? Actually I guess that's consistent, if you think men are lesser beings who deserve to be killed, then it makes sense you would also think that the worst possible thing you can do to a woman is call them a man.

Exactly. Several types of deep hate, sometimes even death threats, are allowed on Twitter: general hate towards all men, all whites, specifically white men. It also matters who expresses the hate, more is allowed from non-whites, trans people, feminists, etc.

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Post by smegger001 »

pbreit wrote: post #316
fasthands9 wrote: post #134

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I think one reasonable policy could be "form a council of diverse viewpoints and only ban someone if they all (or mostly all) agree the person should be kicked off" and another reasonable policy could be "form a council fo diverse viewpoints and ban someone if one (or a couple) think the person should be kicked off. I think its fair to say the committee will end up being a scapegoat - but to be charitable to the idea…

As long as it's legal, why ban anyone? The bar should be VERY high.

for the same reason you don't see laundry detergent ads on pornhub. most advertisers don't want their ads next to certain kinds of content. Whether for their own moral objections or fear of negative customer reaction they won't pay for ad space near it. As advertising pays the bills for this service you have to only host content that advertiser are willing to allow their ads near. It not about whats legal its about whats practical and profitable.

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Post by nikodotio »

ErikVandeWater wrote: post #251
TulliusCicero wrote: post #56

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At least in the US, there's a lot of noxious speech that's legal. The US has very permissive free speech laws overall.

"Very permissive" seems an odd way to put it. It's a human right. The way this is stated is just as if giving women the right to do everything men can do was "very permissive."

Before we can call free speech a human right we have to have a working definition of free speech, which is not actually easy

It’s definitely not “anyone can say anything any time”, even this is not allowed in the USA. Libel, defamation, lying under oath, these things are not covered under free speech, nor should they be.

In my opinion, there’s no such thing as freedom of speech. It’s like freedom in general. Freedom from choice is also one.

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Post by jscipione »

Elon Musk repeated Jonathan Greenblatt’s line “I believe in freedom of speech, but I don’t believe in freedom of reach.” (which is not very journalistic of them) on a leaked phone call with Twitter management a few months back, so even Musk knows whose really in charge here: the ADL. So don’t worry too much about Twitter. PayPal re-reintroduced their $2,500 fine for misinformation just as the Twitter deal went through, so that’s the backup plan for censorship advocates.
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