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Post by mikkergp »

cr4nberry wrote: post #155

With facebook dying, twitter getting bought out, reddit's eutrophication, and tiktok on the rise, it seems like things have unsettled quite a bit The next couple years are going to be very interesting. Facebook will probably get bought out or something. For twitter, I can't really say. Reddit is probably going to become even more repulsive (and hopefully gets replaced). Hopefully tiktok goes away also :/ Also interes…

“Eutrophication is the process by which an entire body of water, or parts of it, becomes progressively enriched with minerals and nutrients, particularly nitrogen and phosphorus. It has also been defined as "nutrient-induced increase in phytoplankton productivity"

What is happening to Reddit?

Re: “Twitter will be forming a content moderation council with diverse viewpoints”

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

ryzvonusef wrote: post #137
pupppet wrote: post #39

So if I go off about how awful the Jews and the gays are, is that a "diverse viewpoint"?

Why not? In my country, these opinions are uttered so openly and commonly that it does not even raise an eyebrow. Infact these are cherished religious beliefs, even. Yet, there are viewpoints that would be considered so utterly innocent in the west as to be as unnoticeable as punctuation, that have led to actual mob violence and lynchings, and I am talking this decade, not some old era bygones. Such speech is conside…

> Such speech is considered equivalent to yelling "Fire" in an open theater, to use a common internet retort on free speech, because of the effect it has on the masses, and we have laws on blasphemy specifically for this.

Just FYI, the "fire in a crowded theater" is actually a widely-spread yet terrible example, as it was actually overturned in Brandenburg v. Ohio in 1969. So, yelling fire in a crowded theater is actually legally not addressed by either decision and the famous quote is part of an overturned ruling.

Re: “Twitter will be forming a content moderation council with diverse viewpoints”

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Post by saltminer »

koolba wrote: post #24
lapcat wrote: post #2

Delay decisions, set up a committee... wow, that was fast, he's already becoming Jack. [EDIT:] The problem is that a "council with widely diverse viewpoints" is not going to come to consensus on moderation. They're inevitably going to disagree, just like in politics. So then what? How is lack of consensus not the inevitable outcome of a widely diverse committee?

> How is lack of consensus not the inevitable outcome of a widely diverse committee? That sounds fine to me if there’s actually a diverse set of view points. Getting censored should require a wide swathe of agreement. Not just a vocal minority.

I feel like this "content moderation council" would be a fine idea if there weren't a large segment of the US population (the country which will almost certainly dominate the council) still living in a complete fantasy land where Trump won the 2020 election by a landslide and explaining the continuing effects of racist policies of the past is secretly a plot to kill off white people.

Those people might not be a majority, but they certainly aren't a "vocal minority" that can safely be ignored, either.

Re: “Twitter will be forming a content moderation council with diverse viewpoints”

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Post by PM_me_your_math »

topynate wrote: post #123
MBCook wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many of the “unbanned” accounts weren’t banned before and that didn’t change. They were in Twitter jail (or whatever the term is). The account is there but they couldn’t publish new tweets. That’s the change to watch for. He could unban Trump, say he kept his promise, but keep the account locked so that Trump couldn’t actually tweet. As a hypothetical example.

It's called a temporary suspension. Twitter asks you to acknowledge your tweet was bad by deleting it yourself. If you do, you get a time-out in the naughty corner for 12 hours, or a week, or whatever, and then you can tweet again. If you don't, you stay in the naughty corner. Whoever designed this process could stand to learn how to treat people like adults, in my opinion.

She has already been fired so the lesson is moot.

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Post by judahmeek »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #167
kevingadd wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Neonazis on social media is an ACTUAL PROBLEM that is relevant in a lot of contexts today, for example one of Putin's absurd false justifications for his invasion is to 'clean nazis out'. Don't just see the word 'nazi' and flip out. Nazis are back and making real strides in many countries and spaces.

In which case, silencing them makes them martyrs and makes them feel important, which generally never works. People love being members of a secret "in-group" - just look at cults. Plus, it's not like it won't stop them - after all, the original Nazis did not need social media, or the internet, to obtain power. I say bring it out in daylight, and let them loose every debate they have so they look like idiots instead o…

I've never heard about anyone banned from Twitter just for losing a debate.

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Post by MrMan »

pjkundert wrote: post #49
pupppet wrote: post #39

So if I go off about how awful the Jews and the gays are, is that a "diverse viewpoint"?

It will be, if Elon implements effective agent-based clustering, such as with K-Means Clustering. "Solving" content moderation is a losing battle -- there is no way to humanly moderate anything at the rate it can be produced, and Elon knows this. It's insane, so he probably won't do it. But, allowing content to be produced, but making sure no real person ever sees it, until the content producer earns their way into "…

oh no, not k-means clustering

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Post by SpaceManNabs »

ryzvonusef wrote: post #137
pupppet wrote: post #39

So if I go off about how awful the Jews and the gays are, is that a "diverse viewpoint"?

Why not? In my country, these opinions are uttered so openly and commonly that it does not even raise an eyebrow. Infact these are cherished religious beliefs, even. Yet, there are viewpoints that would be considered so utterly innocent in the west as to be as unnoticeable as punctuation, that have led to actual mob violence and lynchings, and I am talking this decade, not some old era bygones. Such speech is conside…

> In my country, these opinions are uttered so openly and commonly that it does not even raise an eyebrow

I don't think we should frame free speech standards based on Pakistan, if your bio is correct.

Re: “Twitter will be forming a content moderation council with diverse viewpoints”

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Post by speedgoose »

amadeuspagel wrote: post #163
speedgoose wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not like twitter is rocket science. And Europe is alright at rocket science anyway. It twitter abandons the European market, people will use something else.

> It twitter abandons the European market, people will use something else. Yes, and then be disconnected from the rest of the world.

Thankfully the world doesn’t run in Twitter.
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