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Obama Announces $2B Fund for Startups

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Re: Obama Announces $2B Fund for Startups

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To come back to my point - after '94 illegal immigration significantly increased. There are several reasons for this, e.g. The military was no longer responsible for enforcing the border (which fell to the police), liberal policies wrt immigration, Mugabe's experiments in Zimbabe, etc... Post '94 there were two patterns of migration - skilled people left the country (e.g. to Usa, Canada, aus and new zealand), and uns…

"Apartheid was concerned with the area people lived in the same country (in this area it might be seen as unjust - since people had citizenship to the country." I use the term Apartheid advisedly. I do not regard place of birth a legitimate discriminator any more than I do race. As for the "poorest of the poor", they live in poor countries. Again, I do not see the relatively poor of wealthy countries as being more wo…

Usage of the word Apartheid in your link is bogus! The word Apartheid is only used in order to evoke white guilt.

It is argued that because of Apartheid, blacks were poorer (even if blavk poverty increased significantly after '94, that is not the point.) The point is that the stereotype is that in South Africa black poverty is due to white people.

Your article implicitly makes the same claim. Here is the quote:

> Like the world, it was about 15% white, the rest African and Asian. Like the world, the whites were segregated from the non-whites by law (of course the West does have some blacks and Asians, but it segregates the vast majority of them). The whites lived in prosperity, the blacks in poverty,

So here is the question: how can whites still be (implicitly) blamed for African poverty? Most african countries have been sovereign for more than half a century. Many of them have been sovereign for as long as history (or only had short periods of colonial rule) - e.g. Swaziland, lesotho, ethopia.

The crude (and wrong) comparison ignores issues of culture, historical development patterns, traditional power stucture, etc...

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Re: Obama Announces $2B Fund for Startups

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To come back to my point - after '94 illegal immigration significantly increased. There are several reasons for this, e.g. The military was no longer responsible for enforcing the border (which fell to the police), liberal policies wrt immigration, Mugabe's experiments in Zimbabe, etc... Post '94 there were two patterns of migration - skilled people left the country (e.g. to Usa, Canada, aus and new zealand), and uns…

"Apartheid was concerned with the area people lived in the same country (in this area it might be seen as unjust - since people had citizenship to the country." I use the term Apartheid advisedly. I do not regard place of birth a legitimate discriminator any more than I do race. As for the "poorest of the poor", they live in poor countries. Again, I do not see the relatively poor of wealthy countries as being more wo…

Part 2.

Your article also states that:

> However, it is a far from perfect analogue. Bryan Caplan cites evidence that immigrants to the U.S. commit crimes at a far lower rate than U.S. citizens.

So? This is expected! It shows the success of current immigration policies. The current policy is to only let the best of the best into the country (i.e. Those without criminal records and who has at least a degree in a technical field/ or doctor).

The blog post makes no argument that th crime rate of immigrants would still be lower if this barrier and selection would be removed (it would not!).

Furthemore, look at the South African example in this area - illegal immigrants (without work, etc...) turn to crime. Zimbabweans and Mozambiqucans esp. In violent crime. Many Nigerians ar involved in drug crime and other crimessuch as prostitution and human trafficing. Not pretty.

I strongly suspect that if South Africa enforced its border, Mugabe would have been overthrown.

But currently, most of the Zimbabweans that would be responsible for a coup de ta in Zimbabwe (18-40 year old males), are doing manual labour in South Africa.

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So it should be easy for you to provide a link to one.

Actually not, because their commenting system uses flash so you can't search for/link to individual comments. As you can see from a simple Google search, though, I am far from the first to make the comparison: https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ie=...

All the examples on the first page of google (except maybe for the youtube and facebook links - didn't bother reading those) consist of proponents of increased Mexican immigration stupidly comparing a proposed border fence to the Berlin wall.

However, I'll admit that I've also seen proponents of secure borders making Berlin wall comparisons under one circumstance. Often proponents of increased Mexican immigration claim a secure border is impossible to construct, and the Berlin or Korean DMZ is brought up by their opponents to prove they are incorrect.

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Hmmm... That is a really bad comparison. I suspect that you misused the word Apartheid because of its emotional connetation (which circumvents any rational reasoning that a non-emotional argument might entail). Apartheid was concerned with the area people lived in the same country (in this area it might be seen as unjust - since people had citizenship to the country. Then again, SA is a country that should not have e…

To come back to my point - after '94 illegal immigration significantly increased. There are several reasons for this, e.g. The military was no longer responsible for enforcing the border (which fell to the police), liberal policies wrt immigration, Mugabe's experiments in Zimbabe, etc... Post '94 there were two patterns of migration - skilled people left the country (e.g. to Usa, Canada, aus and new zealand), and uns…

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Re: Obama Announces $2B Fund for Startups

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No, sorry to say this, but we are in 100% agreement! :-)!!! I was 100% for the AIG 'loan' for just the reasons we both explained. But since it was not clear that AIG would ever be able to pay back all the loan, I was willing to call the loan at least in part a 'bailout', that is, 'help' or a 'gift' that might not get repaid. It's too bad the media wants to use the Paulson, Bernanke, etc. excellent efforts to save the…

Wow....reading you type, is like seeing a mirror of me type. It's insane how much we agree on. I feel like I have been trying to dispell these myths here on HN for the last 2.5 years and here you come along spouting the EXACT same stuff I been saying. It's soo refreshing :) As for Ron Paul's abolition of the Fed, I couldn't agree more. It's a bunch of crock. All you have to do is look at the history of recessions: ht…

Nice Wikipedia link.

Yes, one of the reasons a bank had architecture borrowed from some ancient Greek temple was to convince depositors that the bank was 'solid' and not about to go bust, which long far too many banks did.

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Massive inflation in tuition in the last 20-30 years.

bingo. plus a wide spread effort and propaganda from higher education proponents that misleads kids into pursuing "no job" degrees. philosophy? communications? women's studies? please. if you're going to spend big bucks, especially fellow tax payer dollars, spend it on something real and non-obvious at least, something you can't just self-educate on at home, in your free time.

Boom! I can't agree with you more on the proponents of "no job" degrees. I've lost count of the number of students pursuing degrees in philo, comm, psych, sociology, and to some extent even undergraduate business degrees who give little or no thought to how these degrees will help them in the job market. Slightly less common are the people who know what they might want to do with their degree, but haven't investigated whether or not their plan is realistic.

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Couldn't agree more. It definitely is a 'populist' trend to bash TARP and 'bailing out Wall Street', and while I do agree that the 15% capital gains tax needs to be raised (along with closing various loopholes that financiers and oil companies use to pay lower taxes), that oft-repeated position doesn't hold water. It's infuriating because people don't understand when the gov't actually acts in their best interest - e…

There's more! There was GM! Some of the money the US Treasury 'invested' in GM may not get paid back. So, we might say that GM got 'bailed out'. Hmm. As I understand it, there was a little more to the story: One approach to GM was just to let it go through an ordinary bankruptcy. But DC didn't want that. Why? My understanding is that in an ordinary bankruptcy, GM would have gotten off the hook in their labor contract…

GM would have gotten off the hook in their labor contracts to pay for retirees' health and pensions but, then, by law, the US Federal Government, that is, taxpayers, would have to make up the difference.

The PBGC is capped at $54k/year and no benefits. The government would not have had to pay for retirees health benefits (often described as "gold-plated"), and only would have had to pay for part of their pensions.

http://www.pbgc.gov/wr/benefits/guaranteed-benefits.html

Also, in the event of bankruptcy, secured bondholders would have been paid before unsecured union benefits. The bailout was circumventing the rules of bankruptcy in order to minimize damage to the UAW. I wonder why?

http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=D000000070

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More or less because reasonably-priced health insurance requires a risk pool in which membership isn't voluntary, and large companies provide such a pool by requiring that all their employees enroll in the company health insurance as a condition of employment (and pay their portion of the coverage fee with no opt-out allowed). The insurers assume that the number of people who'll turn down the job solely due to disagr…

The insurance company inherently pools everyone that it insures, whether they work in 10 large companies, or 1000 small ones. So I fail to see a legit statistical/risk-model reason why health insurers MUST gouge small companies/entrepreneurs. I think it's mostly due to small companies having less negotiating leverage.

Google adverse selection

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"What would define a 'bailout' as then?" It's to "help" someone in a "predicament". The context is that the someone is in trouble and to need the help is pejorative. But with this definition, TARP was not a 'bailout'. Help? The "help" is usually much like a gift and not likely to be paid back. The banks had to pay HIGH interest, and did. The US Treasury made out like vulture capital. In the end it was the banks, and…

You seem to have missed the recent story [1] from Bloomberg that the Fed made 7.7 TRILLION dollars--10x TARP, and half of the US GDP--available to banks at 0.01 interest. They used that money to buy Treasuries--ie, loaned the money back to the government at interest, earning an estimated $13 billion in profit. So yes, they were able to pay back TARP pretty easily. [1] http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-28/secret-f…

Yes, the Fed did 'quantitative easing' which is obscure nonsense for they printed some money and gave it to the banks. The bank stockholders should thank the Fed. Actually the taxpayers should own the banks and slowly sell them back to private investors as the economy recovers.

When Greenspan did such money printing, he called it "rebuilding the balance sheets".

A 'secret' is that the large banks are creatures of the Fed. They just are.

Yes, it might be more fair to the taxpayers, who really gave the money to the banks, and who are BACKING the banks, to have the banks be so tightly regulated that they are "boring" with little chance of going bust or of putting people in the "1%". So, for the risky stuff, let hedge funds like MF Global, LTCM, etc. do that. And break up the big banks so that if one fails it won't bring down the whole economy. But these changes are too hot politically.

I doubt that the Fed's quantitative easing was the main reason those nine banks were able to pay back TARP. Again, TARP was just some fast money to stop runs on the banks and, as your data suggests, a relatively small amount of money.

So, why did the Fed print money and give it to the banks? Because otherwise we would have no financial system and, then, no economy and then hunger, revolution, war, massive death, etc., little things like that.

So, what happened to the money the banks were supposed to have, that is, the money the Fed replaced? It disappeared! Uh, actually with 'fractional reserve banking' the banks can essentially 'create money'. Or you borrow $100 from a bank and deposit the loan in your checking account. Then the bank loans out $90 which is deposited in a checking account. Then they loan out $81 which is deposited in a checking account. It's called the 'multiplier effect'. So, that's mostly the same $100 loaned out 3+ times.

It may be that the bank only has about $10 of the stockholders' money and the rest is from depositors via checking accounts ('demand deposits'). So, the bank has maybe $10 but about $300 loaned out.

Loaning money this way on 'financial assets', e.g., to buy stocks, especially on thin margin, that is, with high leverage, can blow an asset bubble -- 1929. So we passed some laws keeping banks from loaning money for such purposes and put in place some higher margin requirements. Then the sneaky bankers discovered houses, Fannie, Freddie, the CRA, adjustable rate mortgages, the Countrywide business model, and 'social justice' and blew a bubble based on housing instead of stocks.

When the stock market bubble burst in 1929, we got The Great Depression. When the housing bubble burst in 2008, we got The Great Recession. See a pattern here?

Now if the economy gets sick from, say, a popped bubble, then some of that $300 in loans won't get paid back. If as much as $10 of that $300 doesn't come back, then the bank is bust. In simple terms, that's what happened in the housing bubble, both its growth and its shrinkage.

So, when the bubble burst, some of that $300 or so the bank created is destroyed.

So, we can try to continue on with that money destroyed, but that would cause deflation. In a credit economy, deflation is a bummer because the easy way to make money is just not to spend it and just to put it under a mattress. So the economy goes into the tank and just stays there as people get poor, sick, cold, and dead. We can get wars that way. At least we can get people 'occupying' city parks.

So, the Fed is trying to avoid deflation. But the economy is very sick, and even with interest rates near 0.00% per year the economy is plenty sick. Why? We don't get good answers from the newsies, not even Bloomberg, but first cut businesses don't want to borrow for inventory, expansion, etc. because the customers aren't coming, and the banks don't want to lend because the businesses are sick and might not pay back. Or, the Fed's money has the banks flush again, but that money is not yet in the hands of small businesses and consumers.

Maybe a better solution would have been Milton Friedman's Helicopter: Print up some money, about what was destroyed, load it into a helicopter, fly across the US, scatter it, and let people pick it up and spend it. This is not entirely a joke.

There is a great title for a magazine and maybe a Web site -- Secret Romantic Confessions. It's TOO tempting not to look! Well, Bloomberg is a newsie site so has Fed "secrets", 'secret money given away'. BS. Total, 100%, reeking, fuming, bubbling, sticky BS. Grab'm by the heart, gut, and below the belt nonsense BS and collect the ad revenue. Net, Bloomberg is spouting nonsense to get yahoos up on their hind legs. Deliberate, deceptive, destructive nonsense. Of COURSE the Fed gave money to the banks: That's EXACTLY what 'quantitative easing' meant to anyone but a total yahoo, idiot, fool. There was no 'secret' involved!

It was just such nonsense from yahoos that was largely responsible for killing about 100 million people from the crash in 1929 to the end of WWII in 1945. How? Because when the US stock market bubble burst in 1929, a LOT of money the banks had created by loaning money to buy stocks on thin margin was destroyed. Remember "The Roaring 20's?" -- lots of parties from lots of money created by bank lending.

So, when the bubble burst, we had no banking system. Even out in Kansas, depositors lost 100%. We were back to a barter economy. We had massive deflation:

"For Sale. Nearly new car. Lost all in stock market. No offer too low."

"Deflation is the easiest thing in the world to fix: Just print money.". But we didn't. Various yahoos didn't understand we needed to PRINT MONEY. However even Betty Boop understood. Still we didn't.

So we went from 1929 to 1941 refusing to print money as needed. Unemployment was a disaster. Some of the problems in loss of US 'social capital' are STILL with us. Dumb. Really dumb.

Since the US was not buying, foreign developed economies were not selling to us. Since part of their economy was not selling, that part was not buying, and other sellers in that economy were not selling. Nearly no one was either buying or selling. The economy shut down. People were cold and hungry. So, the sickness of the US economy spread around the developed world.

Then along comes a wacko house painter with a solution: "Ein Folk. Ein Reich. Ein Führer". He gets dictatorial powers over the economy for four years. With those powers, actually he puts people back to work, building roads, bridges, ships, guns, tanks, etc. Yes, he abolishes the labor unions. Then he gets four more years of dictatorial powers and decides that he wants some new 'living space', say, to the east to a line from, say, Stalingrad to Moscow to Leningrad or, really, just to the Urals. For the people there, kill a lot of them right away (as 'inferior breeds') and kill the rest slowly as slaves on 1000 calories a day. What he did resulted in 50 million, maybe 100 million, people dead.

Then in 1941 or so people started shooting at us.

Then we got serious, and in about three months we had about three jobs for everyone who could work and were OUT of the Great Depression. Why? We printed enough money to start to replace what was destroyed in the 1929 market crash.

For now? We can be back to work anytime we want within about three months -- JUST PRINT MONEY. That's what the Fed is trying to do, but apparently Friedman's Helicopter would be more effective.

There's more, but I know; I know: This is post is already too long for a trivial little subject like putting 25 million people back to work. But, gotta tell you: Don't look for anything real on this subject from the newsies.

But, if another 100 million people die, or a billion or few, then the newsies will be right there reporting on the pains, the passion, pathos, and poignancy, with poetry, about the human suffering. They won't have even as much as a weak little hollow hint of a tiny clue about what caused the problem or how to fix it, but they can report what it 'feels' like.

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Throwing $2B at startups isn't going to create a new generation of entrepreneurs. 1. Fix the healthcare system. Right now, you're punished if you don't work for a large company in the sense that you're charged up the wazoo for health insurance. Work for a large company and it's close to free. 2. Fix student loans. One could argue don't go to college but I think we can agree there's some value to good schools. 3. Educ…

I don't think you read the article.

it's $1Billion of tax payers money, the other $1billion is in private services, fees, and software provided. This is like the Microsoft BizStarts program.

this also includes funds to reshape american schools, to include entrepreneurship programs for k-12.

finally this looks like Obama is finally trying to reinvent SBA loans which are great for restaurants to start up, but not great for tech startups that are creating a massive number of new jobs.

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