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Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by ryandvm »

joshstrange wrote: post #34

Can't wait to see that hot takes from the free speech absolutists who have never experienced that first-hand on a platform they frequent regularly. We already know what that looks like, it's 4chan/8kun/etc and surprise, it's absolute shit.

There's a rich and beautiful irony in seeing a bunch of armchair libertarians gushing about the glories of unfettered speech on HN - a web forum that employs some of the most heavy-handed moderation in the biz.

Not sure how long Alex Jones or Mike Lindell would last in here...

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by 93po »

IgorPartola wrote: post #94
influx wrote: post #35

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Why would losing Tesla and SpaceX be incredible?

Tesla existed before Musk. He bought it and by arbitration got listed as a founder.

This is such a tired take. Tesla was worth, at most, a few million dollars when Elon became their largest investor. They had no products. They had no sales. He turned a $2 million company into a $700 billion company, but he's not the founder because he wasn't in the paperwork for the first year of its existence in which very little happened? Ok.

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by kaba0 »

roamerz wrote: post #249
joshstrange wrote: post #199

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Maybe they aren't but they are very vague and hand-wavy about the "blatant censorship". Without specific examples of what is being "censored" it's incredibly difficult to have a good-faith discussion on this. I'm much more forgiving of a handful of on-the-line or even "decent" content being removed if it's the exception not the rule. Like it or not a ton of moderation is fully or nearly fully automated since there is…

Unless you live in a cave you cannot possibly be ignorant of the multiple accounts of Twitter censoring people’s discussions. Examples? A quick search on Fox News: https://www.foxnews.com/media/twitter-double-standard-hunter... https://www.foxnews.com/us/critics-twitter-censorship-obitua... https://www.foxnews.com/tech/media-company-grabien-suspended... https://www.foxnews.com/media/twitter-suspends-jordan-peters...…

Well, the problem is that you are searching on fox news of all things.

EDIT: To make my comment a bit less argumentative, here is a good chart on the biases of media outlets: https://my.lwv.org/california/torrance-area/article/how-reli... , scroll down to adfontes.

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by filoleg »

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #189
nelsonic wrote: post #69

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Totally agree! Peer review is the only valid feedback in many situations. You don’t see many ultra-successful serial entrepreneurs doubting on Elon! You see many of them driving Teslas. As someone who has been in the kitchen since childhood, I can appreciate how difficult great food is to create! If I taste something inferior I’m going to be specific with my feedback for improvement, highlighting the good points not…

I can't make a cell phone, so if my new cell phone constantly drops calls I'm not allowed to say it's a bad cell phone?

You can, because your feedback is constructive and specific.

If you said "idk, this phone just sucks, because i feel like it does and idk how it could be made better", that would fall under "useless complaints". But saying "my phone drops calls often" is a specific complaint with a very specific (implied) improvement suggestion ("make phone not drop calls").

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by dymk »

hdjjhhvvhga wrote: post #107
dymk wrote: post #66

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Who do you think enforces a book ban at a local school?

Parents aka the people. Literally the opposite of the government.

...By making a kerfuffle to the school, and public schools are ran by a institution we know of as...

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by CodeSgt »

kaba0 wrote: post #253
roamerz wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless you live in a cave you cannot possibly be ignorant of the multiple accounts of Twitter censoring people’s discussions. Examples? A quick search on Fox News: https://www.foxnews.com/media/twitter-double-standard-hunter... https://www.foxnews.com/us/critics-twitter-censorship-obitua... https://www.foxnews.com/tech/media-company-grabien-suspended... https://www.foxnews.com/media/twitter-suspends-jordan-peters...…

Well, the problem is that you are searching on fox news of all things. EDIT: To make my comment a bit less argumentative, here is a good chart on the biases of media outlets: https://my.lwv.org/california/torrance-area/article/how-reli... , scroll down to adfontes.

As much as I dislike fox news (and virtually all news orgs now) they're probably among the only people actually tracking things like this. I understand if you dislike their political message, but the links the other commenter provided are all good examples of specific instances of the censorship we're discussing. That the organization as a whole is incredibly biased doesn't alter the fact that the people in those stories were actually silenced.

The fact that you can't easily find any record of these events outside of Fox News is a part of the issue and "mass scale" censorship.

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by datalopers »

93po wrote: post #247
datalopers wrote: post #5

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He's going find it's tough growing a company without a constant flow of government contracts and subsidies.

You mean like he did with Zip2 at over $300 million, and X.com at over $1.5 billion? As far as I know Starlink isn't getting subsidies either. Tell us about your experience at growing companies - do you know something about this that Elon doesn't?

Hi Jason.

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by xiphias2 »

muaytimbo wrote: post #202
rospaya wrote: post #168

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Both still have profitable businesses and communication channels. Both are celebrities that still have large fanbases. If and when they end up poor and forgotten, then they'll be canceled, now they just lost the privilege of being promoted via some media channels. I'm having a hard time defending wealth people who lost a Twitter account because they acted like dicks. Some of them literally.

There's a vast difference between defending them and saying their actions had no consequences. You seem to think that since they are not immediately forgotten, disowned by the public and de-celebrityfied, and plunged into poverty that nothing happened. That's not true, their actions did have consequences. You can not defend them while also acknowledging something did, in fact, happen when they were cancelled.

Sadly as the monetary system is getting more and more unfair and it's getting harder for people to survive, due process and respect of property and privacy rights are getting thrown out of the window.

I'm a benefitor from the low interest rate environment of the last decades (most of us in tech are), but I can understand the billions of people who haven't.

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by 93po »

datalopers wrote: post #257
93po wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean like he did with Zip2 at over $300 million, and X.com at over $1.5 billion? As far as I know Starlink isn't getting subsidies either. Tell us about your experience at growing companies - do you know something about this that Elon doesn't?

Hi Jason.

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