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Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by memish »

jmopp wrote: post #42
memish wrote: post #28

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People didn't get banned for saying men are not women, they got banned for harassing people and inciting violence. That's how Libs of TikTok avoids the banhammer, by going as close as she can to the line without crossing it.

That's the same as a flat earther saying it's harassment when someone says "the earth is not flat".

Meghan Murphy was banned for saying the earth is not flat. "Men are not women tho".

https://twitter.com/SwipeWright/status/1585838039397707777

It's ridiculous gaslighting enforced that was being enforced by the platform.

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by beej71 »

nelsonic wrote: post #11

Never bet against Elon. Starlink alone will make more money than twitter ever could. If you don’t see the potential for Twitter. That’s fine. But don’t write an article about how it’s “hell” if you don’t have the vision for how to improve it. That’s like someone who has no idea how to cook leaving a bad review for food they could never hope to improve on. If Elon listened to Haters/Doubters like this Verge journo, th…

The thrust of the article is that buying Twitter only damages Musk.

And the way to make it better would be to go back in time and not make the mistake of buying it.

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by objectivetruth »

hdjjhhvvhga wrote: post #31

While I agree with the author on many things, this one upset me: > fucking government... They’re out here banning books, Elon! I don't believe that repeating a lie will make it true. The government is not banning any books, Nilay. Parents do. And not globally, but at a local level. It's another question whether they should or not, but I'd expect more precision and integrity from a prominent journalist. Most people do…

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Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by [deleted] »

LatteLazy wrote: post #6

It's very very unclear to me why he bought it. He said it was about free speech but Twitter is already about as free as it's possible to be without permitting a whole bunch of content that is NOT protected under the first amendment (CP, calls to violence etc). And if it is about free speech then it cannot be an automated moderation play, because there is nothing to moderate if you're a pure free speech platform. The…

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Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by dymk »

hdjjhhvvhga wrote: post #31

While I agree with the author on many things, this one upset me: > fucking government... They’re out here banning books, Elon! I don't believe that repeating a lie will make it true. The government is not banning any books, Nilay. Parents do. And not globally, but at a local level. It's another question whether they should or not, but I'd expect more precision and integrity from a prominent journalist. Most people do…

Who do you think enforces a book ban at a local school?

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by beardyw »

influx wrote: post #35
karaterobot wrote: post #18

I am personally hoping that Twitter will break Elon Musk, and then go out of business. That would be the best possible outcome. I am not holding my breath that it will happen, but it would be incredible.

Why would losing Tesla and SpaceX be incredible?

I think the post was referring to Musk, not those companies.

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by maxsilver »

hdjjhhvvhga wrote: post #31

While I agree with the author on many things, this one upset me: > fucking government... They’re out here banning books, Elon! I don't believe that repeating a lie will make it true. The government is not banning any books, Nilay. Parents do. And not globally, but at a local level. It's another question whether they should or not, but I'd expect more precision and integrity from a prominent journalist. Most people do…

> The government is not banning any books

The local township library and school board are both literally the government, and the book banning is largely happening based on local election results (typically county positions and/or school board positions -- both from election ballots)

It's not wrong at all to say the government is banning books -- that statement is objectively correct, it's just happening at the lowest levels of government.

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by nelsonic »

everdrive wrote: post #29
nelsonic wrote: post #11

Never bet against Elon. Starlink alone will make more money than twitter ever could. If you don’t see the potential for Twitter. That’s fine. But don’t write an article about how it’s “hell” if you don’t have the vision for how to improve it. That’s like someone who has no idea how to cook leaving a bad review for food they could never hope to improve on. If Elon listened to Haters/Doubters like this Verge journo, th…

> That’s like someone who has no idea how to cook leaving a bad review for food they could never hope to improve on Ignoring the context of the article, I don’t believe that the example you’ve given here is really fair. It’s perfectly valid to review something which you could not create. If we excluded that whole category, then reviews would mostly cease to exist, and only peer review would be possible.

Totally agree! Peer review is the only valid feedback in many situations. You don’t see many ultra-successful serial entrepreneurs doubting on Elon! You see many of them driving Teslas.

As someone who has been in the kitchen since childhood, I can appreciate how difficult great food is to create! If I taste something inferior I’m going to be specific with my feedback for improvement, highlighting the good points not just focus on the negatives.

Drives me nuts when at a restaurant with friends/family who haven’t put in the time in the kitchen and couldn’t hope to create a delicious meal dissing the food … if you can’t make something better, either shut up or try to be helpful with your feedback! Being critical is so easy and cliché.

The world needs more optimistic Elons not more doubters.

Re: Welcome to Hell, Elon

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Post by Spivak »

joshstrange wrote: post #34

Can't wait to see that hot takes from the free speech absolutists who have never experienced that first-hand on a platform they frequent regularly. We already know what that looks like, it's 4chan/8kun/etc and surprise, it's absolute shit.

And if you want a more direct analogue if you assume that the problem with 4chan is the culture and not the moderation that the absolute worst most vile Mastadon servers are no moderation to the point where major servers had to just completely blacklist them. If you want to lose all faith in humanity peruse the Gab database dump.

No moderation is a loosing game because any platform that offers better moderation will be attractive to the masses leaving the people whose decorum is so abhorrent that the "free speech" servers are the only ones that will take them.

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