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Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by NaturalPhallacy » Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 4:33 PM UTC

teh64 wrote: post #103

NaturalPhallacy wrote: post #26

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Because "Wikipedia Is Badly Biased" according to founder Larry Sanger: https://larrysanger.org/2020/05/wikipedia-is-badly-biased/

He thinks Wikipedia is biased because it describes (correctly) that "alternative medicine" is bullshit? And also he is a climate change denier? Why is he not complaining that there is bias against the flat earth people on wikipedia? Sorry, "scientific minorities". This article proves nothing other than the author is useless.

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Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by facedpython » Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 4:33 PM UTC

Test0129 wrote: post #106

socialismisok wrote: post #43

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Transphobia is pretty clearly against twitters rules. They weren't really banned, they were locked out until they deleted their tweet. All they had to do was delete the tweet.

> all they had to do is delete their tweet He could've gotten a lighter sentence if he just accepted the plea deal! Do you understand how silly this sounds. Moreover, they awarded Rachael Levine "Man of the Year" as a parody because they are a parody website that is right-leaning. Of all the things you could class as so-called "transphobia" this is what you choose? They never deserved to be banned. Additionally, I ca…

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Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by figjinbgj » Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 4:33 PM UTC

socialismisok wrote: post #104

mrkstu wrote: post #80

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I'm not sure if they felt 'attacked'- more that they were standing up for their right to do what they do (satire) without being censored and giving into the censorship by deleting the tweet. The 'mis-gendering' in this case was absolutely truthful in a scientific sense, thereby making their point that truth being somehow harmful in today's society. Whether you agree that's a 'good' point or not it seems to fall squar…

It's not "absolutely true in the scientific sense", except at the "I have an understanding of high school level biology and sociology" sense. Sex and gender are both significantly more complex than just chromosomes, genitalia, or organs. If you are interested, I'm happy to dive into a good faith discussion of where the science actually falls.

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Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by socialismisok » Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 4:33 PM UTC

fallingknife wrote: post #122

socialismisok wrote: post #56

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Will he unban ISIS recruiting accounts? Will he unban Trump? Alex Jones? He's not a free speech absolutist, he's just making room for his personal ideology. He doesn't need to ban leftists to achieve his goal of pushing them off the platform.

Why is it that if you allow both left and right, the left will leave?

Because it's happened again and again on parler, gab, coat, etc.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by bakugo » Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 4:34 PM UTC

socialismisok wrote: post #147

bakugo wrote: post #130

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Stopping people from stating facts and forcing them to respect the emperor's new clothes by force creates toxicity, yes.

Which facts, specifically. Please go on the record.

Nice try! I assume you're a distraught twitter user because this feels like an exchange that would happen there.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by xadhominemx » Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 4:34 PM UTC

pjkundert wrote: post #120

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Twitter used to have a very nasty problem of literal Nazis spamming black and Jewish accounts with hateful garbage. Those accounts still exist to some extent but are reduced to communicating amongst themselves in coded language.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by woooooo » Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 4:35 PM UTC

socialismisok wrote: post #104

mrkstu wrote: post #80

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I'm not sure if they felt 'attacked'- more that they were standing up for their right to do what they do (satire) without being censored and giving into the censorship by deleting the tweet. The 'mis-gendering' in this case was absolutely truthful in a scientific sense, thereby making their point that truth being somehow harmful in today's society. Whether you agree that's a 'good' point or not it seems to fall squar…

It's not "absolutely true in the scientific sense", except at the "I have an understanding of high school level biology and sociology" sense. Sex and gender are both significantly more complex than just chromosomes, genitalia, or organs. If you are interested, I'm happy to dive into a good faith discussion of where the science actually falls.

Matter of opinion.

I wouldn't deliberately misgender someone just to be a jerk, but the idea suite you're referencing was a niche viewpoint 7 years ago or so.

It's kind of incredible to go from there to "this is a settled mandatory philosophical viewpoint and disagreement is banished" in such a short time.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by adamrezich » Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 4:35 PM UTC

cmh89 wrote: post #100

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how many times has he been called "Kanye West" in headlines and news stories in the past couple weeks? nobody gives a shit about deadnaming him, because he's a Bad Guy Saying Bad Things, which proves that there actually is a political conditional on the supposed core moral value of "deadnaming is an utterly terrible thing to do, always, and there's never any excuse for it". I've tried repeatedly to bring this up onli…

Unless he's transgender, he can't be deadnamed. There isn't a moral contradiction to explain. The entire point of deadnaming someone is to cause them harm. Full stop. No one is trying to cause Ye harm by clarifying that he used to be called Kayne West. If you want a non-trans equivalent, old racists used to insist on calling Kareem Abdul Jabbar and Muhammad Ali by names they had rejected to make a point about how lit…

> If you want a non-trans equivalent, old racists used to insist on calling Kareem Abdul Jabbar and Muhammad Ali by names they had rejected to make a point about how little they thought of them.

exactly, so how is this any different? a black man legally changes his name because he considers his old name to be his "slave name", and almost every headline about him refuses to acknowledge this change. how is this different from Muhammad Ali?

> Unless he's transgender, he can't be deadnamed.

this is the crux of my question: why is "right to not be deadnamed" exclusively a trans "right"? what would make you think that?

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by flippinburgers » Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 4:35 PM UTC

socialismisok wrote: post #104

mrkstu wrote: post #80

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I'm not sure if they felt 'attacked'- more that they were standing up for their right to do what they do (satire) without being censored and giving into the censorship by deleting the tweet. The 'mis-gendering' in this case was absolutely truthful in a scientific sense, thereby making their point that truth being somehow harmful in today's society. Whether you agree that's a 'good' point or not it seems to fall squar…

It's not "absolutely true in the scientific sense", except at the "I have an understanding of high school level biology and sociology" sense. Sex and gender are both significantly more complex than just chromosomes, genitalia, or organs. If you are interested, I'm happy to dive into a good faith discussion of where the science actually falls.

Ahh yes the good ol' let me talk down on someone with their "elementary" level of knowledge is always a great way to start a "good faith discussion".

EDIT: Intersex does not turn the male/female binary into a "spectrum".

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by commandlinefan » Fri, Oct 28, 2022, 4:35 PM UTC

socialismisok wrote: post #104

mrkstu wrote: post #80

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I'm not sure if they felt 'attacked'- more that they were standing up for their right to do what they do (satire) without being censored and giving into the censorship by deleting the tweet. The 'mis-gendering' in this case was absolutely truthful in a scientific sense, thereby making their point that truth being somehow harmful in today's society. Whether you agree that's a 'good' point or not it seems to fall squar…

It's not "absolutely true in the scientific sense", except at the "I have an understanding of high school level biology and sociology" sense. Sex and gender are both significantly more complex than just chromosomes, genitalia, or organs. If you are interested, I'm happy to dive into a good faith discussion of where the science actually falls.

The only real discussion to be had is that you and I mean (very) different things when we use the word "woman".