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Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by socialismisok »

muaytimbo wrote: post #84
Mikeb85 wrote: post #46

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> Elon doesn't actually believe in a free marketplace of ideas, Is he banning left wing accounts? Is there any evidence of what you say?

Evidence, that basic thing that is always absent from assertions like the one above.

The evidence is plain. Observe who gets unbanned. Observe who gets to operate again. I guarantee you it won't include all ideas. Want to be a radical terror org on Twitter? Or a doxxer? Or revenge porn poster? Or a spammer? Or the klan? Skinhead neonazi group posting racist memes? Etc etc.

I'm willing to bet these things stay banned. Because despite self describing as a free speech absolutist, he's really not comfortable being absolute about this belief.

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Post by pessimizer »

bediger4000 wrote: post #96
takoid wrote: post #63

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It will only become worse for those who benefited from Twitter’s censorship.

I had to think a minute, but I agree with you. Lots of unmoderated free speech will make Twitter worse for ordinary folks, who don't want to be spammed with ads, but also an assortment of porn, aggressive politics bot and weirdos.

There has never been a point on twitter where you couldn't repeatedly accuse a person of sucking Putin's cock after every single tweet they made, and no point when you had to attempt at all to conceal your association with organized, named groups who coordinate this outside of twitter.

That being said, Musk relies on government contracts and subsidy for almost every aspect of his empire, so I don't see any changes coming.

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Post by nemo44x »

thedorkknight wrote: post #148
nemo44x wrote: post #71

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They should be able to joke about anything. There are no sacred cows. If someone doesn’t like their humor then don’t read it. Don’t follow them.

Then they shouldn't have agreed to not joke about that stuff in the first place

Where in the terms does it say you can't make this joke? The enforcement of these things have been completely arbitrary.

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Post by NaturalPhallacy »

socialismisok wrote: post #104
mrkstu wrote: post #80

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I'm not sure if they felt 'attacked'- more that they were standing up for their right to do what they do (satire) without being censored and giving into the censorship by deleting the tweet. The 'mis-gendering' in this case was absolutely truthful in a scientific sense, thereby making their point that truth being somehow harmful in today's society. Whether you agree that's a 'good' point or not it seems to fall squar…

It's not "absolutely true in the scientific sense", except at the "I have an understanding of high school level biology and sociology" sense. Sex and gender are both significantly more complex than just chromosomes, genitalia, or organs. If you are interested, I'm happy to dive into a good faith discussion of where the science actually falls.

>Sex and gender are both significantly more complex than just chromosomes, genitalia, or organs.

Everyone reading this needs to look up John Money. The founding father of "sex and gender are different".

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Post by fsociety999 »

Test0129 wrote: post #106
socialismisok wrote: post #43

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Transphobia is pretty clearly against twitters rules. They weren't really banned, they were locked out until they deleted their tweet. All they had to do was delete the tweet.

> all they had to do is delete their tweet He could've gotten a lighter sentence if he just accepted the plea deal! Do you understand how silly this sounds. Moreover, they awarded Rachael Levine "Man of the Year" as a parody because they are a parody website that is right-leaning. Of all the things you could class as so-called "transphobia" this is what you choose? They never deserved to be banned. Additionally, I ca…

While I agree that the Bee should never have been banned, the answer to this problem is less censorship, not more. It sounds like you are calling for people who have different ideological views from you to be banned, but that is not how a healthy society should function.

There are already tools you can use on Twitter and other platforms to ignore content you don’t want to see (mute or block, for example). Banning someone should only be done in extreme circumstances like if someone is breaking the law or making literal calls to violence.

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Post by elforce002 »

Test0129 wrote: post #106
socialismisok wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Transphobia is pretty clearly against twitters rules. They weren't really banned, they were locked out until they deleted their tweet. All they had to do was delete the tweet.

> all they had to do is delete their tweet He could've gotten a lighter sentence if he just accepted the plea deal! Do you understand how silly this sounds. Moreover, they awarded Rachael Levine "Man of the Year" as a parody because they are a parody website that is right-leaning. Of all the things you could class as so-called "transphobia" this is what you choose? They never deserved to be banned. Additionally, I ca…

You and me both.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by calculatte »

threeseed wrote: post #60
socialismisok wrote: post #39

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The problem for Musk is that Twitter never banned them for being right-wing. They were banned for undeniable, crystal-clear breaches of their terms of service. Is Musk going to allow child porn, inciteful content, doxxing ? This is an unwindable situation.

Twitter has allowed literal dictators, terrorists, and child pornographers on the platform. They allow calls for genocide, hate speech, and doxxing as long as it's targeting the "right" people.

Those who were most banned were their political opposition. This isn't even questionable. Undercover video proves it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TexDrY6AlAw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64gTjdUrDFQ

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Post by monkmartinez »

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #116
bakugo wrote: post #51

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> turning into a cesspit of toxicity because ‘free speech’ Twitter is already a cesspit of toxicity because of the lack of free speech. This won't make it any worse.

I guess it depends on which side you believe is more toxic. It's strange you would take the side that limiting bigotry, racism, homophobia, and transphobia is what creates toxicity.

Except both sides say the same things in different ways. The side that limits bigotry, racism, homophobia, and transphobia (as you say)... explicitly promotes bigotry against ideas they don't hold dear (alt-right, etc), racial prejudice, glorification of transgender and homosexual values.

I don't care what you practice, just don't shove it in my face and tell me to love it.

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Post by socialismisok »

_aavaa_ wrote: post #118
socialismisok wrote: post #78

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Because there are differences in how the rules were created. Presumably previous rules involved policy teams and moderation teams and legal teams. Elon rolling in and being like, "Unban these people even though they've broken the rules" is clearly a different mode.

> Presumably previous rules involved policy teams and moderation teams and legal teams. Presumably is doing some heavily lifting here. But either way, my point stands why isn't it "group ideology". Simply because it was made by committee doesn't change the connotation used. If someone opposed to Musk's views later takes control of twitter and restores everything to the current status quo, will that also be done using…

Yes, of course it will. Plenty of historical events have a group setting the initial culture or laws, then a dictator comes in and changes them. If another dictator comes in later and reverses them, that second person is still a dictator.

If Elon sells to, I dunno, Zizek, and sudden changes occur, of course I'd say the new leftist leaders were enforcing their personal ideology.

Is it so hard to believe that someone can be a leftist and not also critical of the left? A dictator is a dictator, and it's bad, no matter their ideology.

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Post by _-david-_ »

Comevius wrote: post #16
elmerfud wrote: post #8

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Truth and satire are intertwined in a special way that makes satire be so powerful. Also Babylon Bee said they were satirizing USA Today as listing her as a top woman of the year.

They did it because of her accomplishments, not for being a transgender woman. There is an important difference. I understand the satire on some level, she was a man, she only transitioned later in her life, so of course there is always a question of whether you have to be born a woman to be a woman, did these people born into the wrong body, can someone be a woman if you find her look uncanny and so on. There is a l…

> In fact conservatives often go the length and argue against the very existence of transgender people, offering violence as a solution.

This is just factually incorrect.

Nobody denies people exist that identify as trans. Some people deny the identity is accurate, but no major conservatives are denying gender dysphoria is a thing. Are you seriously suggesting denying a self identity is denying the existence of that person?

Conservatives also are not calling for violence against trans people.

Please stop with this rhetoric. You are acting like the conservatives of your imagination that you are bashing.

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