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Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by _-david-_ »

socialismisok wrote: post #126
goldenchrome wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The argument that a person can be a different gender than the one that all their physical biology points to is absolutely not an open-and-shut case. I know many people believe that it is, but that doesn’t mean that there aren’t valid opposing arguments. To me, that means that you shouldn’t be banned for contesting the idea of transgenderism. I think a more reasonable argument is that people should be allowed to prese…

Sure. But Twitter has said "we want to make sure that we have trans voices on our platform, so in the interest of a broader marketplace of ideas, we're going to say no to one particular idea - making fun of trans people, who typically face a much higher level of violence, rejection, discrimination, and hate than most".

If Babylon Bee makes a joke about trans people how is that removing trans voices from the platform? If making a joke about a group is the same as encouraging violence or whatever then you can't make any jokes about people.

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Post by mrkstu »

xadhominemx wrote: post #113
mrkstu wrote: post #80

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I'm not sure if they felt 'attacked'- more that they were standing up for their right to do what they do (satire) without being censored and giving into the censorship by deleting the tweet. The 'mis-gendering' in this case was absolutely truthful in a scientific sense, thereby making their point that truth being somehow harmful in today's society. Whether you agree that's a 'good' point or not it seems to fall squar…

They don’t have the right to say hateful things about someone on someone else’s platform. They had a privilege, which was conditionally revoked.

Let's say you have a big nose and you're out on the town attending a comedy club.

A comedian gets up during his stand up routine and comments on your big nose, which you're sensitive about and wish no one would comment on, since you've always wanted a small, delicate nose, and in fact you've scheduled surgery to 'fix' it.

After they comment on your nose you loudly protest and ask the comedian to cease, since you really don't think the nose represents the true 'you.'

Is it 'hate' for the comedian, against your wishes to continue to make jokes that night, and in fact, he finds the whole exchange (and you) so funny that he incorporates the exchange into all his routines going forward?

I'd argue that it is maybe a bit rude, but it is exactly why we have people like comedians- they are the court jesters for our society, they point out when our good intentions turn into pathologies and give us room to reflect on progressive and regressive overreach.

Taking that out of the public sphere removes a good chunk of society's ability to make course corrections.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by thedorkknight »

socialismisok wrote: post #62
bakugo wrote: post #51

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> turning into a cesspit of toxicity because ‘free speech’ Twitter is already a cesspit of toxicity because of the lack of free speech. This won't make it any worse.

I mean, you don't have free speech here either. Mods will absolutely come in and remove content and ban you for many of the same things Twitter will.

Anecdotally, I find the discussions here to be far less aggressively stress inducing and rude than the rest of the web

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Post by Comevius »

adamrezich wrote: post #36
Comevius wrote: post #28

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how many times has he been called "Kanye West" in headlines and news stories in the past couple weeks? nobody gives a shit about deadnaming him, because he's a Bad Guy Saying Bad Things, which proves that there actually is a political conditional on the supposed core moral value of "deadnaming is an utterly terrible thing to do, always, and there's never any excuse for it". I've tried repeatedly to bring this up onli…

Not using a vanity name of a celebrity is not exactly the same as deadnaming. If Ye would have chosen John as his first name I could see it being similar, he obviously had a reason to change it, maybe he hates Kanye, but he choose Ye, because it sounds cool. People should still respect his decision, but it's still not the same.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by thedorkknight »

bakugo wrote: post #51
Nursie wrote: post #35

I imagine this will do a speed run of unbanning -> turning into a cesspit of toxicity because ‘free speech’ -> lots of people leave because it’s so unpleasant. It’ll be fun to watch though, as someone that’s never valued the site.

> turning into a cesspit of toxicity because ‘free speech’ Twitter is already a cesspit of toxicity because of the lack of free speech. This won't make it any worse.

I agree with your first sentence but completely disagree with the second one

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Post by pfisherman »

threeseed wrote: post #54
bink wrote: post #38

It'll be very interesting to see what advertisers stick around through all this mayhem.

Very few. Advertisers are the most conservative group in any ecosystem and they have plenty of other options for their advertising spend. Twitter will be no different. Americans like to make a big deal about wokeness but the concept doesn't really resonate in other countries and Twitter is a global business. So it will be interesting to see how Musk reconciles these dynamics.

Many of the biggest advertisers aim to create positive brand associations with their campaigns.

Having your brand name / logo displayed next to content that arouses negative emotions - i.e. anger, fear, contempt, etc - does the opposite of that. Why would I as an advertiser pay money for something that is the opposite of what I want?

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Post by lynndotpy »

aidenn0 wrote: post #59
listenallyall wrote: post #34

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Elton John was notable as Reginald Kenneth Dwight?

The notability requirement is specifically for transgender and non-binary individuals.

This is not true either. The "Presumption in favor of privacy" section, especially the "Privacy of names" part might interest you:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_livin...

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

bakugo wrote: post #130
Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #116

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I guess it depends on which side you believe is more toxic. It's strange you would take the side that limiting bigotry, racism, homophobia, and transphobia is what creates toxicity.

Stopping people from stating facts and forcing them to respect the emperor's new clothes by force creates toxicity, yes.

> stating facts

And exactly what facts are you stating?

Usually when people complain that they're not allowed to just "state facts", it's statistics being used to justify racism. And of course, most of the time, those statistics are highly misleading.

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Post by dudeDDRrulez »

Comevius wrote: post #16
elmerfud wrote: post #8

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Truth and satire are intertwined in a special way that makes satire be so powerful. Also Babylon Bee said they were satirizing USA Today as listing her as a top woman of the year.

They did it because of her accomplishments, not for being a transgender woman. There is an important difference. I understand the satire on some level, she was a man, she only transitioned later in her life, so of course there is always a question of whether you have to be born a woman to be a woman, did these people born into the wrong body, can someone be a woman if you find her look uncanny and so on. There is a l…

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